Anyone know the difference between the FlexidomeXT 1462/21, the 1461/20 and the 1464/20?

Data,

This is a Vandal Resistence Mini-Domes series and they all have 1/4" 470TVL cameras and the only difference is the lenses with different F stops as follows:

LTC 1462/20 - Bosch LTC 1462-20 VANDAL RESISTANT CAMERA FLEXIDOME XT 1/4" 470 TVL COLOR 12VDC-24VAC 60Hz. w-2-4mm LENS

LTC 1461/20 - Bosch LTC 1461-20 VANDAL RESISTANT CAMERA FLEXIDOME XT 1/4" 470TVL COLOR 12VDC-24VAC 60Hz w-2.8-6mm F1.4 VARIFOCAL AI LENS

LTC 1464/20 - Bosch LTC 1464/20 VANDAL RESISTANT CAMERA FLEXIDOME XT 1/4" 470 TVL COLOR 12VDC/24VAC60Hz, w/4-9mm F1.4 VARIFOCAL AI LENS

Here is the PDF formated spec sheet that gives even more details: http://reliablecctv.com/alt_pdfs/Bosch%20LTC%201464-20%20VANDAL%20RESISTANT%20CAMERA%20FLEXIDOME%20XT%201-4%20inch%20470%20TVL%20COLOR%2012VDC-24VAC%2060Hz.%20w-4-9mm%20F1.4%20VARIFOCAL%20AI%20LENS.pdf

Levon

Thanks a million, bud.

Data, anytime!

Levon

These puppies will look nice around the house. I have hooked up to a spot monitor to test and are pretty nice. MetzLyov, how is the view at night?

These Mini-Domes are still using 470TVL color cameras, so at night you will have grainy picture if you do not give enouph light...

Levon

Actually Metz, these domes now are daynight domes as standard, they all have nightsense, they even have 540TVL now

http://www.boschsecuritysystems.com/au/en/start/load.htm?news&cms={site:au;ID:com1069}

http://www.boschsecuritysystems.com/uk/en/start/load.htm?news&cms=%7bsite:uk;ID:uk1053e%7d

yall need to stop playing and tell bosch to send me one to test :lol: :lol:

rory, they are not as good as the XF's...buy an XF daynighter and if you don't come back and tell me it's awesome I will leave this forum for good!!

of course yo do have to be honest :roll:

ill 2nd that cctv aus I was amazed when i saw it last week, it does the job but a bit x'y thats all but if it does the job then they have to pay for the product that does the job best...

Data, yup, Bosch changed bunch of things and looks like this mini-dome comes with the specs as described from our friend in Australia...

Shame on Bosch - Can not not belive that not only theh did not inform us about these changes (including major changes on their Envrodomes), but there are bunch of products that also have their pricing changed... Their answer? Well, someone screwed up and forgot to send e-mail not only to us, but many of our counterparts.... It is their loss, not ours!

Levon

These have the NightSense. They also have a sticker on side stating 540TVL.

Yup, I see it... As I said, shame on Bosch in not having this information available when they it is available...

And yes, since it comes with NightSense, then it should work for your application...

Sorry man...

Levon

How can I test NightSense? Don't say turn off lights. :shock:

What I mean is, can I see the chip or look on the board to see the NS Technology.

Data, it contains day/night chipset, but do not expect the same results as their XF series, or Pano CP484 series results...

Levon

Agreed Metz, you may want to register to our Newsletter service, it will email update you. Example

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We have been with Philips and now with Bosch for over 10 years. It is only in the recent 6 months that they are slowing down on information and specially newer pricing when available...

My local Bosch rep (who works for Bosch) could not give me a good explanation for this...

Levon

I can, it is called over expected growth due to high demand, it is no excuse, however as new comers to the industry they probably did not realise how much demand there would be for their products and it takes time to get more people etc.

sum ugly cameras, all i can say on this subject.... going by the picture of it in their advertising etc, if it looks diff in real then i take it back :-)

they need to think ... redesign ..

thats right...

rory i dont know what your on about dude i dont really wanna get a stiffy over the look of a cam man if it does the job well if it looks like a ufo who gives a...
they are good looking cameras and they do the job.. more then id say bout half the crap around

unless its got sony ccd or sony xview/had then i wouldnt touch it...

cmos, 380 tvl and everfocus is crap....

Extreme CCTV dude. knocks the bosch dome off the wall ..
also, they arent strong enough for what i need .. i need 5 year unbreakable guarantee with built in voltage regulators, wall mount, and best support in the industry - extreme CCTV.

We are actually the exclusive distributors of Extremes full range here in Australia, but had no Idea there was a 5yr warranty, will check this out as I doubt it... it is possible that every country has different OEM extreme gear.

MCS dont stress bout Rory, it's his job to always disagree with me, and mine to always be the salesman...welcome to the forum!

I actually like the look of the domes, they do look better in real life, but I have been told my taste is in my but so go figure!

If vandal proof and 120pounds of pressure resistant aint enough, then, hell I'd be moving residence :shock:

never said it wasnt a good product, just doesnt do what i need it to, for the jobs im selling. I have to leave those other jobs to everyone else, i get called in for the extreme jobs. By the way, no Bosch USA rep has contacted me yet, they arent on the ball like you aussies yah know :-))))

Besides i think they dont care about the bahamas as its not the US ... plus there is already 1 bosch seller here, a locksmith company with very little knowledge of CCTV, we are cleaning their jobs up all the time. They use good products just use inferior cable, and lack of proper installation knowledge.

Bosch has some good PTZs and Box cameras now, but for domes, they have like 1 ??? I dont even use GE for domes as no selection either .. extreme and wizKid all the way for domes, and even box cameras now with their new MX and CX technology. :-)

You could contact them :?

been there done that ..

"5 year unbreakable guarantee"

Its on the specs for the cameras also, some of them, such as the WizKids.

Can i drive over the flexidome with my jeep 10 times, and use a sledgehammer and mallot on it, without damage (short of replacing the dome cover which i have a box of), and can i spike it with a brownout day after day and still works, can it survive a couple hurricanes in a row, then lastly, add some daily beach salt air while we are at it, not to mention mon-sun 24/7 tech support?

i agree CMOS is crap, generally sold as an OEM camera, and 380TVL is sold by all manufacturers, though personally i use high res only 480TVL and above, except for certain hidden cameras. Cosmetics is everything though when dealing with clients who are paying for it.

Lets put it this way, been there done that, now i sell Extreme cameras.

Exview, decent chip, though useless if not in the right camera.

Actually, when i think about more where you are, i see your point, however i had a laugh to myself, thinking about a jeep climbing a wall and an awning to run..upside down over a dome, perhaps you should stop mounting them on the road and start attaching them to buildings etc... i think we realise your market is very different to most i mean those prices you keep stating about Bosch..many people in here have told you time and again that the prices arenet anything like that..but yes...we know... you have to pay duties ect.. but that info can be misleading..

Hey horses for courses, i am sure Extreme would not attach their name to something that wasn't good and 5yrs is tops, and if it is as rugged as all that then go for it.. mind you I must say Bosch or Pano or Samsung sound a lot better than Extreme and Wizkid, and makes it easier to justify pricing.

i Dont put names on my quotes, or in my catalog, but if we got that route, sony has the best name in cameras. As for prices im going by US dealer pricing so nothing is misleading.

I always think that using product brands in quotes is the best, that way if you quote a ganz hi res colour day night say and the next guy quotes oem but you realy need a camera that will do a specific job, then you kan kill his quote just by stating facts. I won a massive job with a 4 page quote compared to his 2 pages it was worth 24k aus. Dont use sub std equipment and treat every job like its for yourself so you have to install to the highest stds and you win by far.

that way you can assure your clinet they get what they pay for, and thats wahts in the quote. i win many quotes by extended wty ( which costs me bugger all cause I use good ghear good cable and dont go back to jobs.) and also stating facts, product info specs etc and then stating who I have done jobs for before wins me the job unless its based on price..

regards
Pete

Yep, normally my quotes are 10 pages plus full floor plans, etc. All specs etc on the parts are included also. Just got a local airport here, and another 32 channel job somewhere else .. :-) Actually use to put brands on it, but the clients dont know what none of them are anyway.

Disagree with the above statement, perhaps in your world, but branding is starting to become big here

YEah, well people know what Sony and Panasonic is, but Bosch and GE, most only know the GE name from light bulbs.. and never heard of bosch.

Everyone knows what Daewoo is too :-)

I agree, however dealers use "what brand are his goods.. really... no branding...ask him what brand?" and "would you rather buy a Bosch cam or a wiz kid cam?"

It's like everything, Nike's shirts may not be better than Kmart but they demand a higher pricing, I do feel the name brands are indeed better and they do sell better and althoughg not as much in your area, i can vouch that saying 3yr warranty and a brand name really helps.

Bosch happens to make the best hammer drill around. :wink:

i remember when cctv_aust was before he got recruited by bosch, he was all against branding . .. :lol: :lol:

Yes, alot of dealers know the brands, course not all of them though .. typically whatever the distributor is promoting ..

Does anyone know what these concave lens type clear covers are for in the box? I never heard of them.

The cover is a monocle, if you focus a dome especially a Vandal, you usually do it with the cover off, therefore replacing the cover after focus is akin to a CS mount camera focussed before being put in a housing.

Your changing the wavelength of light, so you put the monocle on the lens while cover is off and then focus and then replace cover, should stay in perfect focus.

You may also want to invest in the XT cable, it plugs into the dome so that you can use a service monitor to do the focus and then leave the cables attached through your ceiling.

As for what Rory has said, I agree there are some non name brands that are almost as good as big names, but when Bosch lowered prices in theri cam range, it was either sink or swim...me ...I decided to jump ship instead, there is no comparison to the XF camera range and at the prices that we currently offer it is an easy market.

I think everyone romotes what they sell...yes I am the worst culprit..but it's not just about selling it is more to do with what excites you..I love my job i love good product and quite often my enthusiam can be taken as a sales pitch.

Our friend in Australia, it is a good business to be very modest specially now when you work for Bosch directly.

Instead of "sales pitching", I think you should just answer questions in a manner that does not interpret you selling Bosch. Do not get it wrong, but sometimes when I read your posts, it seems you trying too hard to defend Bosch and you should not....

Bosch product line has its advantages and disadvantages and it is this Forum that identifies such issues... I can lay down quite of few issues that I am sure will make you very mad regarding some the Bosch flops, but I do not. Even though you are representing Bosch, it will be a good business for you to jump in any topic on Bosch after everyone already made their statesment, instead of making your biased point of view.

Think of this for the moment. If every manufacturer's rep becomes part of this forum, everyone of you will start defending their respective product lines regardless on what our opinions are because you have to... Heck, you job depends on it... Instead, I suggest for you to make some recommendations or some correction on the topic, rather than trying to turn it to a "sales pitch".

I can tell you this - some of our members are from the majors - from Sanyo, from American Dynamics, from Panasonic and recently, from GE Security and I do not see anyone of them making any sales pitch effort. I talk to them sometimes and they like this forum, but it will be very difficult to identify who they are (for obvious reasons). Rather, they watch and jump in only when they want without any "promotion" of the brand or any form of "sales pitch"...

As a manufacturer rep, modesty is very important!

Levon

All i knows is Bosch is not "it" in the camera world, but it is "it" if thats the only decent non OEM camera someone has ever used :lol:

Rory, I concur... They offer a good gear, but is not "fix all" solution...

Levon

NightSense is NoSense. These cams have a nice day image, but at night, forget it. First, I tried with just street lighting, grainy (NightSense on then off). I ran electric then installed "white" lighting, NightSense on and NightSense off. Same effect. Cameras are very bad. Anyone want a deal on 12 of these dogs?

Data, in one of the posts, I made it clear that NightSense cameras are not true day/night cameras. Specs are well written by Bosch, but what you confirmed is what I have stated... It is a good camera but should not be confused with true day/nights and should not be used as a day/night application...

Just wandering which ones did you use? LTC 0485 series or LTC 0610 series? Even thought the LTC 0610 series is a better camera, but the price?????

Levon

data took a look and the image is good with the lights on at night, in color mode. Did you do the focus thing in low light like I mentioned to really be able to tell if the night image is good or not? I thought it might just need focusing in dim lighting like evening, cloud, or with a filter.

anywayz, whats your price on them .. let me know :-)

Point taken Metz, might be time to leave the forum anyhow me thinks

CCTV_Australia, don't forget to write. :roll: You offer too much to the forum, stay.

Rory, yes, but hadn't tried a filter.

MetzLyov, the models are:
1 1462/20
3 1461/20
7 1462/21
Throw a number at me and I will box and send.

I have a few Sony CD73V. I will hook up this weekend and you will see the difference in quality.

Oh, and they are 540 TVL. Crisp during day.

CCTV_Australia, all due respect to your knowledge and expertise in the CCTV industry, my point for you was not to have you leave, rather take a constructive critisizm when its due... I will state it again that modesty is a very important key element that now you are part of Bosch!

It does not matter how long you have been doing this nor how much you know about this industry or the products within, the main point is to share the information and make it available to others. If you feel that I have attacked you professional reputation, I appologize for that and that was not my intention. Rather, as a manufacturer rep, we want to look up to you for the guidence and the information that Bosch specs sheets do not provide and that is where the major value exists.

Your posts are great and very valuable, all I have stressed was to keep "sales pitch" for Bosch equipment out of mix and that is all. I do not see other manufacturer reps leaving this forum when people make negative comments about them or their products and you should not either. However, you are a man of integrity and I can see that you do not take critisizm very well, which in my opinion is not a good professional trait...

I do not want to see this forum being commercialized by manufacturers or their reps, otherwise it will loose its intentions of existence. We do not want members to be hesitent to make their opinions count, as in my case.. If this forum gets commercialized, I will be the first to leave and will never look back! I have had discussions with some of the members of this forum who are the manufacturers reps and some of them tried to slow me down (I guess they figured out who I am) and guess what, I told them to stay out of my business.

With all the changes occuring everyday in this industry, you can always learn regardless on your professional expertise and if you stop learning, might as well pack your bags and leave the industry... I have been in this industry for over 26 years and I am still learning everyday and I am a man of integrity and able to take any critisizm that will teach or shape my knowledge. I will however retaliate on an unjust critisizm, but will not leave this forum because of it!

Levon

'Sounds' like a condescending tone, in my humble opinion. But then again, it would probably come across as "constructive criticism" when face to face.

Data, call it what you will... I call it the way I see it... and by no means I mean any harm or disrespect, rather facts!

Levon

Actually metz, I totally agree with most of your points, however you have not been in this forum long, therefore you have only known my "sales pitch" as you called it for Bosch product.

On the contrairy, I have spoken out about a lot of products and have mentioned many products that I firmly believe to be excellent products, however this is long before you arrived.

I believe in being honest, I always am, and that is what makes me good at sales, I still believe Bosch makes the best full bodied cams in the world price per value, and I would have had that view even if I worked for Ganz or someone else.

I dont work for GE or DM, yet I rave about these products, nor do I work for Panasonic or Pelco or Baxhaul or Sony or Axis, however I rave about them as well.

I validate your point but if I know mostly Bosch product then this is what I feel safe in recommending to people as I know the technology, I also used to Distribute Ganz and Geovision so I feel safe in voicing my opinion on these products as well and I have tried most products in the market so I feel it is important to impart my knowledge, no matter whom I work for.

My point is you do not know the history between Rory and I , we always used to argue about PC VS Standalone and this sparked some sort of trigger in Rory to always say the opposite of what I say, and as we are the two biggest posters in here, it has developed into a bit of an annoyance, It"s funny that bosch mainly sells standalones and yet my views haven't changed.

Enthusiasm can sometimes be misconstrued as SALES, but I do validate your points and therefore I think I will remove myself from this forum.
It is clear that you would prefer Manufactorers reps to stay in the background and only voice their views when needed and I can respect that, however please keep in mind that I have not always been a Manufactorers rep and I was here when this site first started with 5 or so members so I guess my situation of input was different to most Reps.

I agree that it is dangerous to even be a rep and be in this forum and as you say, the competition watches this forum, so I am better to stay out of it.
I have never been a very modest person, if I have an opinion I am always going to voice it, as for constructive critisism, i am not sure about that, i think i handle that well, I am leaving now, and respect your input..I do not think i can be any more aware of critisism and reacting to it than that.

This forum has been excelent and after 1710 posts it might be time to go, I congratulate Larry on his achievement but warn Metz that these sites are expensive to set up and run, eventually it will get commercialised, that is inevitable.

A forum should be just that.. a forum ..an open place to speak you mind, whether your passive or aggressive ..a salesperson or a tech head a forum should be a place where you have freedom of speech in my opinion and if manufactorers reps get involved then all good to them, infact I would think it would be positive to have them onboard and to learn from their expertise.

I havent made my mind up to leave yet but I think that I probably will, so thanks for showing me the light. To hermy and Thomas and all the Gang, thanks for your advice, your patience and your friendship.

WHAT? No more CCTV_Australia and the rory show? :D Don't you go anywhere, mate.

Our friend in Australia (I wish that I knew your real name), if I had known that you would take this matter this seriously and this close to your heart, I would not have made any comments and I very much apologize for it!

You are correct, I am new in this forum and I jointed it October last year. I will never intend to have anyone leave this forum under any circumstance if my comments are so harsh or offends anyone...

I am very sorry for calling things the way I see them. I have and always will call the spade a spade and that is my character and that is how I always have been in my entire career, and I know that I will not change no matter what! I never shown any bias to any specific manufacturer, rather shown every manufacturer's advantages and disadvantages and believe me, I had few to call me and telling me to cool off, but that will never happen.

So, I have a proposal for you! Please do not leave this forum. I never judged anyone's position in this forum based on when they joined, but I guess seniority does matter. I was not sure when you started and never made a point to check. However your contributions are essential to the structure of this forum and expertise that is necessary to sustain and to grow. I firmly believe that you are a great value to this forum and my suggestion is for you to stay.

Instead, I am leaving for good and I do not have to think twice about it. I do not ever want to put anyone in the spot, whether if such person is wrong or may be out of line nor want anyone to feel bad about anything they say or do. I know you, Herm, Rory, Data and many others are a great team and really keep this forum together. I just can not accept the fact that I have to second guess for any comments that I may have to make nor ever will!

Again, very sorry for any inconvenience that I may have caused you. This is my last 519th post and I wish everyone the best life can offer, a good health and great business ventures...

Levon Postachian

MetzLyov, where are you going? No one is going no where. Let us thicken our skins a bit. :wink:

Data, I am sorry man... this is done! I am a man of integrity and I never wish to cause anyone any harm intentionally or otherwise... Best of luck to you my friend and hope to see you in the CCTV Arena in the future!

Levon Postachian

The professional sales peeps you 2 are, work it out! :cry: :wink:

I have no idea what is going on here, Levon, you did not offend me, not by any stretch of imagination.

I agree that I sound like I try to sell, My ONLY valid point is that I do that for every product...not just Bosch, I am passionate about it hell 1700 odd posts prooves that point, CCTV is my life and I have done it from back in the day whan I used PC Anywhere and a quad unit to make a DVR, you did NOT and I repeat DID NOT offend me in any way, in fact the reason I wish to leave is because you are indeed correct.

A manufactorers rep should not be in this forum, you never know to whom you may be speaking to and I do not wish to have my thoughts to be thought of as Bosch thoughts, everytime someone mentions that I work for them, I cringe, in all honesty it is a risk, to be an "honest rep" and work for a manufactorer and also be involved in a forum.

But I have been here since it's inception and you have missed some much bigger doosey's than this one, thats for sure, Rory and I are famous for disagreeing, part of me thinks he likes it that way.

I dont have direct need to leave, but I think it may be a wise choice in the end, besides, work is getting very busy at the moment, I may come back one day as an anon user that way my views are only my own.

Mate you did not offend me in any way, I think you don't know me well enough to undertsand that I also promote a lot of other products and if something stinks in the house then I am first to admit it..which I assume goes against company policy.

My decision to leave (maybe not permanant) is a decision that I had already thought a lot about, it is not professional to be arguing with rory all the time so it does not look good for the company name...

I just want everyone to know that I ONLY promote what I firmly believe in, no matter if i sell it or not, and my leaving this forum has nothing to do with anyone and is more due to my proffesional position than anything else.

I agree manufactorers reps should not be biased and maybe they should not be in forum, but no one knows the products better than these people and quite often they research competitiors products as well, so they should be leant a lengthy ear.

I have seen many posts by Rory and others posting links to products so i do not think I was alone in doing this, it probably looked worse because Bosch has more products in more areas therefore I was only ever promoting one Brand rather than say Wiz Kid, Extreeme and GE so it probably looked a lot worse than it was.

I am glad you joined the forum levon, you have an electronics background that is needed here and you know the value of good higher end products, over the time I have been here I have seen a lot of lower end product sold, and yes big name reps wont mention their products because of these reasons, but the price has dropped on many major manufactorers and we want to see the public get better equipment than cheap crap, it's not about another sale for Bosch or Pano etc It's about improving the quality of work in our industry so that we as proffesionals can get more work and a better reputation.

I will leave with this one last message..

I have and everyone else has seen the price of CCTV fall in the last few years, the margins have shrunk and more manufactorers sell direct than ever before, wehn I started you had to order like 50 Geo Cards and 100's of cameras just to import.

As this price drops, the installers price will also drop, therfore it may be acurate to say that more than 50% more new players are in the industry therefore a much more competitive market and it is shifting towards IT (an area famous for operating from low margin), the bottom line is this.

Less margin = a need for more volume...more volume = a need for more support and more support = a loss of income, so clearly with a need for less failure and less support and more quantity comes a need for higher quality and the ability to justify a more expensive price, reliabilty and quality and justification for pricing only comes with reputable brands.

I have been in the game a long time now and as a wholesaler we see the companies come and go, you can survive if you diversify or you can survive if you provide quality product, hence why I think memnegrs of this forum should look much closer at name branded products if they wish their business to succeed!

Chaio all!!

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