scorpion - 20 Aug 2008, 07:47 pm
I was installing some new mini PTZ cameras from Eclipse in Miami on Saturday trying to beat the storm named Fay before it hit the southern part of the state! If you have never seen the mini PTZ then I highly recommend them!
I find out that this little strip plaza has poured concrete walls all the way around above the window lines!!
On top of that the outer wall on the walkways where they hang the store signage is poured concrete as well!!
This place is like Fort Knox!!
I called a concrete company to come out and bore the holes for me, but they would not come out until Monday, so I was stuck doing it myself!
I bought a new hammer drill, because I burned out my old dewalt hammer drill on the first set of holes. After buying a new drill I was being rattled to death trying to drill a one inch hole. I switched to a 1/4 in concrete bit, and I noticed that the drill bit was not spinning straight. Just as I realized that the bit was not turning straight the centrificul force grabbed the tip of the drill bit, and bent it 90 degrees!!! I was standing on the top rung of an 8 foot ladder, and I dropped the drill because I did not know if the drill bit was going to detonate, or not, and I did not want to be on the shrapnel end of things!
It turned out that the chuck was not closing correctly leaving the drill bits cockeyed in the hole.
After boring 4 holes from the inside to the outside I was done for the day!!
I then had to go outside and drill two more holes through the poured concrete facia! That is two eight inch walls!
As I was mounting the PTZ the Storm named Fay decided to rain on my little party. It is not fun mounting cameras in the rain, but I wanted to get it done before the eye left Key West and headed our way.
For those of you who have never drilled through poured concrete then I will give you some tips.
You will need a hammer drill that cost more than $500.00. You can use the $99 Dewalt Hammer Drill, or the Milwaukee Hammer Drill that cost about $150.00, but they are not designed to drill one inch holes in solid pour concrete on a daily basis. They are good for a one time use though, just be aware that you get what you pay for!
In the paint department of the hardware stores they have cheap plastic "drop cloths". They are about $4 to $5 a roll. Use a knife to cut them up so that you can cover desks, copy machine, and file cabinet, and what have you.
Buy a wet / dry vac to vacuum up the dust.
Before you start drilling put some cardboard under where you are going to be drilling. This will catch the pile of concrete dust, and make clean up much easier. You can put the cardboard between the "struts" that hold up a drop ceiling.
Before you start drilling one inch holes, or holes of any size make sure your concrete drill bits are sharp! They should have an "A" shape to them.
If they are not pointed then do not use them. They will shake as they drill, and they will wear your arms out real fast, and you will find that you will have to take alot of breaks before you finally pop through the concrete.
If your drill bits are not sharp then what will happen is that the drill bit will wallow out the hole while it is drilling. If it is in real bad shape then it will spend more time wallowing out the hole then drilling the hole deep, and rattling you even more.
Before you drill your holes take an awl, or a nail, and smack it where you want to drill, and start the drill bit at a slow rotation so that it will not travel.
If you are just boring holes to run your wiring then it does not matter so much if the hole is off, or not. If you are drilling your mounting holes for the camera, or equipment then it will matter!
Do not lean on the hammer drill real hard. Let the rotation of the drill bit do all of the work!
Before you drill scratch a vertical, and a horizontal line over the hole you are going to drill. If the drill bit travels then you will see it before you get to far off the mark.
If you are mounting cameras to concrete then I recommend concrete expansion bolts.
http://www.simpsonanchors.com/Catalog/mechanical/sleeve-all/index.html
You need to know the personality of the anchors before you use them. Test them on some concrete at home before you use them. On some of them you need to drill the holes smaller then the anchor size, and then wallow out the hole until the anchor slides in to the hole. Be careful once you stick the anchor in to the hole you may not beable to get them back out. I use my wire cutters to grab the anchor, and then I pry them out like trying to pull a nail out of a board.
If you bore the hole a little bit to large then it may be ok as the back of the anchor will expand as the nut, or screw is tightened. If the hole is too large then put some silicone sealant in to the hole, and spread some on to the anchor. This will not hold a large amount of weight, but it will hold a little bit. Just make sure your other holes are perfect!
The phillip screw head anchors are real difficult to work with. I hold the PTZ up against the wall, and I stick a concrete bolt into the hole, and then I use my wire cutters to hammer in the bolt, and then I use a phillips head screwdriver to tighten it down. If you remove the phillips head then you have a chance that you cannot get it back on to the bolt to pull it out to get the back end of the anchor to expand, and catch in the hole. You will have to put caulk, or silicone in to the hole, and then the screw becomes a decorative piece.
How to Info:
http://www.doityourself.com/stry/h2anchorconcrete
http://www.simpsonanchors.com/Catalog/mechanical/strong-bolt/index.html
http://www.ameribestfasteners.com/expansion_bolts.htm
I find out that this little strip plaza has poured concrete walls all the way around above the window lines!!
On top of that the outer wall on the walkways where they hang the store signage is poured concrete as well!!
This place is like Fort Knox!!
I called a concrete company to come out and bore the holes for me, but they would not come out until Monday, so I was stuck doing it myself!
I bought a new hammer drill, because I burned out my old dewalt hammer drill on the first set of holes. After buying a new drill I was being rattled to death trying to drill a one inch hole. I switched to a 1/4 in concrete bit, and I noticed that the drill bit was not spinning straight. Just as I realized that the bit was not turning straight the centrificul force grabbed the tip of the drill bit, and bent it 90 degrees!!! I was standing on the top rung of an 8 foot ladder, and I dropped the drill because I did not know if the drill bit was going to detonate, or not, and I did not want to be on the shrapnel end of things!
It turned out that the chuck was not closing correctly leaving the drill bits cockeyed in the hole.
After boring 4 holes from the inside to the outside I was done for the day!!
I then had to go outside and drill two more holes through the poured concrete facia! That is two eight inch walls!
As I was mounting the PTZ the Storm named Fay decided to rain on my little party. It is not fun mounting cameras in the rain, but I wanted to get it done before the eye left Key West and headed our way.
For those of you who have never drilled through poured concrete then I will give you some tips.
You will need a hammer drill that cost more than $500.00. You can use the $99 Dewalt Hammer Drill, or the Milwaukee Hammer Drill that cost about $150.00, but they are not designed to drill one inch holes in solid pour concrete on a daily basis. They are good for a one time use though, just be aware that you get what you pay for!
In the paint department of the hardware stores they have cheap plastic "drop cloths". They are about $4 to $5 a roll. Use a knife to cut them up so that you can cover desks, copy machine, and file cabinet, and what have you.
Buy a wet / dry vac to vacuum up the dust.
Before you start drilling put some cardboard under where you are going to be drilling. This will catch the pile of concrete dust, and make clean up much easier. You can put the cardboard between the "struts" that hold up a drop ceiling.
Before you start drilling one inch holes, or holes of any size make sure your concrete drill bits are sharp! They should have an "A" shape to them.
If they are not pointed then do not use them. They will shake as they drill, and they will wear your arms out real fast, and you will find that you will have to take alot of breaks before you finally pop through the concrete.
If your drill bits are not sharp then what will happen is that the drill bit will wallow out the hole while it is drilling. If it is in real bad shape then it will spend more time wallowing out the hole then drilling the hole deep, and rattling you even more.
Before you drill your holes take an awl, or a nail, and smack it where you want to drill, and start the drill bit at a slow rotation so that it will not travel.
If you are just boring holes to run your wiring then it does not matter so much if the hole is off, or not. If you are drilling your mounting holes for the camera, or equipment then it will matter!
Do not lean on the hammer drill real hard. Let the rotation of the drill bit do all of the work!
Before you drill scratch a vertical, and a horizontal line over the hole you are going to drill. If the drill bit travels then you will see it before you get to far off the mark.
If you are mounting cameras to concrete then I recommend concrete expansion bolts.
http://www.simpsonanchors.com/Catalog/mechanical/sleeve-all/index.html
You need to know the personality of the anchors before you use them. Test them on some concrete at home before you use them. On some of them you need to drill the holes smaller then the anchor size, and then wallow out the hole until the anchor slides in to the hole. Be careful once you stick the anchor in to the hole you may not beable to get them back out. I use my wire cutters to grab the anchor, and then I pry them out like trying to pull a nail out of a board.
If you bore the hole a little bit to large then it may be ok as the back of the anchor will expand as the nut, or screw is tightened. If the hole is too large then put some silicone sealant in to the hole, and spread some on to the anchor. This will not hold a large amount of weight, but it will hold a little bit. Just make sure your other holes are perfect!
The phillip screw head anchors are real difficult to work with. I hold the PTZ up against the wall, and I stick a concrete bolt into the hole, and then I use my wire cutters to hammer in the bolt, and then I use a phillips head screwdriver to tighten it down. If you remove the phillips head then you have a chance that you cannot get it back on to the bolt to pull it out to get the back end of the anchor to expand, and catch in the hole. You will have to put caulk, or silicone in to the hole, and then the screw becomes a decorative piece.
How to Info:
http://www.doityourself.com/stry/h2anchorconcrete
http://www.simpsonanchors.com/Catalog/mechanical/strong-bolt/index.html
http://www.ameribestfasteners.com/expansion_bolts.htm
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