[quote:b0560e9e41="andy_geovision"][quote:b0560e9e41="ruairi"]

No, I have the full release. I can send you the hosts file that is giving me trouble if you like.

I am having trouble importing the host file as well.
The host list goes blank when I try to import it.
Then when I switch back to the camera view, Multiview crashes and I have to use task manager to kill it.

Note - Curiosly...Geo uses fairly weak encryption of the passwords in the host file. Using a hex calculator, some simple math, and a hex to ascii converter, I was able to decipher the passwords in my host file.
This probably isnt a bit security risk for anyone, but I think its something Geo could easily make stronger in future versions.

That's a pretty big error on Geo's part if you can't import older host.ini files. I see a patch coming soon. This is why they should let folks like us test some of the earlier versions. I have discovered 2 bugs before this that weren't known.

I also don't like the little Geovision logo when you log onto the multiview, but not a big deal.

Can someone PM me a link for 8.2

Thanks in advance guys

I am having a 2nd problem with Multiview now, when I press exit, the confirmation dialog box comes up behind Multiview. This gives the impression that it has hung, but ALT-TAB brings it up and I can exit normally. Anyone else ?

No sign of Andys email address yet for me to send on my hosts file :cry:

Anybody know if Geo plan to add support for more IP cameras to 8.2, the list is pretty limited. We have some nice business we could win at the moment if we could use the clients existing Sanyo IP domes.

[quote:293a09d0cb="ruairi"][quote:293a09d0cb="andy_geovision"][quote:293a09d0cb="ruairi"]

No, I have the full release. I can send you the hosts file that is giving me trouble if you like.

Thanks Andy. It doesn't work either when I create a group. You are welcome
to connect to my PC, let me know how you want to do this.

On Vista (don't know for xp).

1. Webcam hangs after a while, you can not start/stop webcam anymore.

2. Mobile connections via browser: not the right images (you have to refresh several times)

2. Mobile connections disconnect right away (tested msview v2 and v3)

4. If webcam is running and does have no connceting clients if will get inaccesible after a couple of hours (as long as it has a client connected it's ok)

The BETA v2 did not have these problems. It is the same system (1480) and I did a complete ununstall of the BETA.

some additional info:
- having this problem for a couple of weeks
- applied the latest updates on vista

Only way to get webcam running again is a system (vista) restart, restarting multicam does not work !
Immidiatly after the restart you can stop and start webcam. But locks up again after some time.

Looks like something is still running or loaded on the machine after stopping multicam.

This is a legit problem, I had the EXACT same problems from my systems. Andy from Geovision sent me some files that fixed the problem with the Mobile Gview programs and now they don't crash anymore. PM him and he can send them to you too.

i have one patch that copies a couple of missing bitmap files (cam-logo, etc ...). that one does not solve my problems with msview v2 and v3 (did not test Gview)

looks like everything is fine after a complete reinstall. MSview and Gview connect, webcam can be started and stopped.

How:
- make sure you uninstall any old version and drivers.
- delete all storage and database dir's (you can leave the cam data).
- search you system for left geovision files
- restart
- install 8.2
- apply webcam-patch

Apperently the uinistall leaves things that lock up functions in 8.2 (I went ..from 8.12 to the 8.2 beta and then 8.2 final)

Now i am new to this whole thing and 8.2 is my first time with Geovision but i do have a few problems/suggestions for the software.

Audio/Video Log - Viewing previous recordings i would like to be able to merge any video channel with any audio channel rather than just the two linked channels.

Camera/Audio Install - You are able to rename camera channels. Why not audio. This would help me greatly.

Just a few suggestions.......

Andy connected to my machine this morning and has fixed both of these issues. Hopefully he will let us know what the solution was.

I am getting Internet login problems. The Webcam installs and works fine over the lan but when trying to get to it via the internet I get to the MSelect page and no codec download just a done with errors on the page have tried the fix but to no avail. This is with IE7 and latest java installed.

Any tips guys ??

Regards

Hi!

Since I have been out traveling for some time and now I have easter holiday I was wondering on anyone noticed what the CPU/Memory usage is on 8.2 versus 8.12. I will check out myself over the easter but just curios if someone noticed anything...


Cheers!


JOINDVR

I installed it, other than the menu being an issue (when you click a sub menu it can temporarily bothersome as it overlaps another menu item), I dont see much of a difference.

They have PAP and PIP, but as mentioned is pretty much useless for anything other than a MegaPixel camera.

Noise reduction (cant remember the actual name) didn't do much but make the image worse quality (blur).

The Driver installer program has an annoying fade in and out, like Vista.

Didnt notice any speed up or slow down in switching between Live and Viewlog.

Need more time with it, will be testing more tonight and tomorrow.

Fixed my problem ...... Just used Rory's Simplevue, worked out the Box so to speak :)

Thanks Rory

Regards

Cool :)

In case anyone missed it (I did)
The hybrid system only supports 8 IP cams.
It is therefore not possible to have for example 14 IP cams and 2 analoge
cams.

I just did an Install on a couple of a customers machines and everything seemed to go well. As far as getting the Remote software there are a few way to do that if you look in the installation directory i believe the name of the folder is WEBTEMP and the subfolder would be "Cab" but you can also just type in the IP address of the newly updated DVR and it will download the new software. I am using Vista Ultimate and have 8.12 already installed and it installed 8.2 as another program and not an update.

The PAP and PIP would be great with a Megapixel IP camera. I have seen the Demo's and it looks like it would work great will have to test it when I get a Megapixel camera in next week. I will let you know.

Still trying to play with the Panoramic I have not figured out where to set that up yet. but I have not been playing with it too much been too busy.

The Remote software is Great with the Ability to save multiple Host's in a group and to record to the Local drive is Excactly what the Customer i already upgraded wanted. He has 6 Car lots and he like the Remote software rather than the Control center. A little more user friendly for him I guess.

Are you sure ? I have this dongle part list from Geovision:

55-NG004-000 GV-NVR (GV) 4
55-NG008-000 GV-NVR (GV) 8
55-NG012-000 GV-NVR (GV) 12
55-NG016-000 GV-NVR (GV) 16

55-NR001-000 GV-NVR 1
55-NR002-000 GV-NVR 2
55-NR004-000 GV-NVR 4
55-NR006-000 GV-NVR 6
55-NR008-000 GV-NVR 8
55-NR010-000 GV-NVR 10
55-NR012-000 GV-NVR 12
55-NR016-000 GV-NVR 16

[quote:3586bafa50="ruairi"]

Are you sure ? I have this dongle part list from Geovision:

55-NG004-000 GV-NVR (GV) 4
55-NG008-000 GV-NVR (GV) 8
55-NG012-000 GV-NVR (GV) 12
55-NG016-000 GV-NVR (GV) 16

55-NR001-000 GV-NVR 1
55-NR002-000 GV-NVR 2
55-NR004-000 GV-NVR 4
55-NR006-000 GV-NVR 6
55-NR008-000 GV-NVR 8
55-NR010-000 GV-NVR 10
55-NR012-000 GV-NVR 12
55-NR016-000 GV-NVR 16

Wow, that does suck. Well spotted.

You can lock the DVR with desktop but not that difficult to break.
So someone could delete recorded files.

With backup server you can instantly backup, but it recycle's.
So you will lose the files that are deleted after a while (even with a large disk).

Would be nice to have an option to never recycle deleted files on the backup server and have an alert mechanisme in place if files are deleted.

Protecting the recorded files is key but not really well implemented at the moment.

Any idea's ......

Secureconcepts:
You can lock the DVR with desktop but not that difficult to break.
So someone could delete recorded files.

Do you mean the GeoVision Keylock utility?

How long do you wish to keep video files for?

yes I mean the Geovison Keylock.

The amount of time I want to keep the files is not that important (depends on the disk size).

But lets say it's a week and some event took place in that week and someone did delete the files.
You would not see anything and also would not know it took place (files are gone !). Even if you know something happenend you have to search all the files around that period and the backup to find evidence.
You could easily conclude it was not on camera and not even check the backup.


Even if they are backuped instantly there is no mechanisme to tell you that files have been deleted in an incorrect manner.

Could you PM me the details of how you can get around the Keylock, if this is the case, then it should be brought to GeoVision's attention.

If people have the correct permissions set up on their user accounts, then you shouldn't have any issues with people deleting files. (If Keylock is on, and they cannot access Windows Explorer)

All our systems are left running Keylock, so as far as I am aware, the user's cannot gain access to Windows to delete them through Explorer.

They can only delete them through the Viewlog then. All events deleted through the Viewlog are logged.

Format the drive with a boot disk ... USB or CD .. :(

you have to send me a PM first, not alowed to send pm on the forum.

ok, rory was faster then I was ... and still other options possible, but you do need access to the system. If you can get it to restart without access then start windows in save mode ....

Yeah and there are other ways.
Only way to really be secure is to make sure only certain people have physical access to the computer.

Can the average user bypass it .. probably not.

Agreed average users probably not, but simple things as a power failure with auto-boot setup will allow user to get into save-mode.

Even with a UPS it will restart after a while and Geovison does not detect it's on UPS power.

In high level security environments this could be an issue because it does not detect unauthorized changes on file-level.

Wonder if Geo could use True Crypt .. would be nice .. dont know about the speed though .. but you can create True Crypt volumes and format them as NTFS .. then when you reboot unless the user is logged into Geo, or if they yuck the hard drive out and try it in another computer .. they wont have access at all to the video no matter what they do .. without ofcourse the True Crypt login and a way to mount the volumes. Ofcourse a Windows user can also make their folders private .. but that doesnt effect the video files which are typically on another drive. I use true crypt in a program I wrote .. great free tool.

Even in Safe Mode you need to have access to the Token file, which is password protected.

With regards to having access to the system, and unplugging power etc. this is true for all DVRs. You cannot forget about physical security when dealing with a DVR system.

The systems we build are designed to always be powered on, set in the BIOS. If the power fails, and there is a UPS, the UPS battery will be used. As soon as power returns, then the unit will power back on (If the battery did not last through the disruption of power).

With Keylock used, and a reasonable level of physical security on a system (e.g. a locked room) then the system is secured.

Very simple solution, offer your customers the service of the vsm, then it will alert them if the DVR is off, someone has tampered with it, recording stopped, rebooted, etc..

VSM is very usefull.

But they can still delete files ....! (VSM will detect it, but files are gone ....).

I am trying to figure out what a user can do without fysical access to the system, I know they can get into save mode, witch is risky (have not tested all the options yet!).

With fysical access it's very simple (and a not recommended setup).

Ya, truthfully, with Physical Access, there is nothing you can do to prevent it. Heck they could just short some wires and kill the hard drive, or put in a boot disk and then format the drives. Hiding the DVR system and only using remote access can help this.

Couple of issues:

- when in test mode and you have idle-protection set. he moment idle protection start the monitoring the system crashes (full restart).
Not a big thing since you are in test mode, but don't believe it's designed to crash !

- The fine tune buttons are available for 1 second (test mode) making it virtually impossible to fine-tune the pan/tilt.

- When the system restarts and you have tracking/zooming enabled it will NOT go back to these settings. You have to enable the dome again for tracking. Go to setup and enable zoom (default is tracking) and then start the feature.
Any idea how this could be done ? (normally it never restarts but if it does you lose these settings).

one other issue showed up (tracking / zooming):

- the system zoom's in on objects that are detected outside the detection region. If the object is outside the detection region and it touches the detection region just a bit (1% is enough) than it zoom's in on it.
The object should be fully in the detection region before zooming in.

tracking and zooming again.

I am probably the only one using this feature ....

When in zomm mode, it zoom's in on the object and stays zoomed in it does not direct the dome back to the initial screen after the set time.

Can someone tell me why my 8.2 Software looks different than the picture above. It seems I have all the new options like PIP. And it says it is version 8.2 But the face or skin is the same as before. Not like the pic. above. Do I have a fake or beta or something? Thanks Dave

My problem with 8.20 is that I don't think I can run it with my GV-600-8 v3 card due to the copy protection involved.

Does anyone know if Geovision is planning to allow older hardware revisions of the card to be able to run 8.2? I really want to use some of the features of 8.2 on my GV-600 card. I feel cheated that I am not allowed to run this version as I paid a small chunk of change for this card, and most video cards, digitizing cards, computer hardware in general allows you to upgrade to the latest drivers \ software that are available.

This has always been an issue with Geovision and I am wondering if it has changed yet?

So wot are you using for storage, Im waiting in a coupla 1.5 TB hdd's from my supplier, they have been on back order since They came onto the price list :(

I am installing a shed load of gv1480 systems, but find that because of the limited storage space with on board sata ports, it isn't worth running Ip cams yet,

I feel short changed because I bought a car and it wont allow me to go to the MOON,

and..............................

You paid how much for gv600, man I paid 4k wholesale for gv1000 some yrs ago, stop your whining, it only had v7 back then, and........ We upgraded.

While it is fortunate that you have 4k to spend on a surveillance system, many consumers do not have that amount to spend, hence the reason for the much lower priced Geovision cards like the GV-600.

Perhaps you think it's fair that consumers should have to re-purchase the same hardware twice just so they can run the 8.x version, however, if all dvr companies thought that was normal, it would be very unfortunate.

Imagine if you had to do the same thing everytime you wanted to upgrade your video card or printer software. You'd have to re-purchase the same card\printer multiple times. That just isn't a very fair business practice.

Instead, this is a Geovision hack to deal with piracy, nothing more, and it is a business practice that they need to some day address so consumers don't continue to get ripped off by it.

To use your analogy with an automobile, it would be like purchasing a new car one year, and then a year later, having to re-purchase the vehicle so you could upgrade the stereo, instead of just paying a small stereo upgrade fee, or having small issues with the stereo repaired.

You could sell the car, getting less then you paid for it, and purchase the same exact model with a newer stereo, but the consumer should not have to do that.

The Geovision you purchased, may have been for your business as you are a reseller. For home use a person may pay several hundred dollars for a piece of equipment that should last several years, at least 4 or 5, and being stuck on the original buggy software from the year of purchase is just wrong, for almost ANY kind of hardware. I still have a WinTV dvr by Hauppage that is even older than that and I never had to re-purchase the card to run the latest software that the company released for it.

For a home consumer, having to re-purchase the same hardware, just to upgrade the software is just wrong, most people realize this, some do not. Dealers may be less likely to run into this type of issue as they sell so much hardware and probably could pawn the old cards off on others quite easily, home consumers have to find other avenues and usually won't recoup the costs.

It's just how Geovision has been handling the piracy issue and until enough people point out the problems\issues with this policy, the longer it will take for Geovision to address them.

Many companies will not do anything to correct issues until a very large percentage of the customers complain about the issues. Look how long it took Microsoft to admit they were selling junky 360's. It took years of consumer complaints to get MS to finally admit, and then fix the issues at hand with the 360.

http://venturebeat.com/2008/09/05/xbox-360-defects-an-inside-history-of-microsofts-video-game-console-woes/

At least MS finally addressed the issues at hand, Geovision has yet to do the same with the Geovision software upgrade issue, and until enough people complain, this very poor software policy will remain in place.

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I must be used to it
I.R Australia do the same with INSIGHT, a software package for connecting to alarm systems to program and run as a front end (user management system).


I have used many many geo cards over 4 + yrs and have never had issue I even have a gv650-8 in my office as gv1000 was over kill I only have 6 cams, it allowed me to u/g to v8.xx

I personally don't see it as an issue, and cant see how v6/ v7 was buggy, works well for loads of sites even still today......

I don't feel there is enough merit in your claim for such a low end card to have to be fully upgradeable to the very latest s/w yrs later, just so you can get the latest features, which many ppl dont even use, but the better codecs I spose would be a benefit going from mpeg4 to h264 even :)

Ill send a complaint to geo direct if you like on ur behalf, form me a reseller/installer.... Is that OK Scooby?
cheers

The more complaints the better I would imagine. I have sent several to Geovision but I fear they have gone into a void. :( My hope is that some day enough persons will send in the complaints and they will eventually redesign the method they use for combating piracy with the cards.

I have read other posts on this forum regarding the very same issue so I know that I am not the only one who has run into the issue but my guess is Geovision just hasn't received enough complaints yet to justify a change in their procedures. Perhaps someday, if enough users run into the problem. It will be interesting to see what they do when they release 9.x versions of Geovision. I wonder if they will try the dongle route again at that time? Will be interesting to see.

At the same time Geovision will launch GV 9.0.1.0 software they will introduce a new hardware product called: USB HUB this is told to could have as much as 10 different USB dongles at the same time, but only from Geovision!

This will then include; GV-Upgrade Dongle for only 100,- USD, IP camera Dongles, IP camera non Geovision brand dongles, Dongle for dipmap, dongle for piracy A and dongle for Piracy B, you need 2 matching piracy dongles, 1 blue and 1 pink for be able to view and record video, further more, if you have a PTZ and are at a windy place you must have a dongle for the anti vibration, also if it somedays are raining, you need a dongle for the video enhanchinf features, to really boost the dongle volume, the webcam will also require a dongle, but not only at server site, but also on every client side, these dongles will be green for server side and yellow for client. Then if you have several sites, and would like to use CCS, VSM and Center V2 Pro, you now have to have dongles for this as before, but now you also need 1 dongle for each client site. Other rumors is that the stockholders in Geovision is using the downside on the stock exchange to buy stocks in dongle companies!

Dongel bells, dongle bells, dongle all the way!

Since they now had made a new version hardware, they should have been able to start thinking in other ways then what they have done!

JD