CCTVForum.com » What Motherboard? GIGABYTE GA-945PL-S3 or ???

tmushy - 11 Jan 2007, 10:13 pm

QUOTE:
this is what Im going to be using next .. for a micro case version.
http://www.directron.com/p5lmx.html

and then this one for the full server version
http://www.directron.com/p5bdeluxemb.html

http://www.directron.com/p5lmx.html looks like a good choice. is 1gb of ram enough and can I simply use the onboard video. Read people had success with onboard video

tmushy - 11 Jan 2007, 10:14 pm

[quote:8f93ad12fa="rory"][quote:8f93ad12fa="tmushy"]

QUOTE:
Might look at this.

http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16813131088

About a quarter of your budget, better brand and it has everything on board just add your CPU, RAM and a HD. :D

Spend the extra ~$140 on a good UPS.

Would this work with a gv-1120 6 camera system? Getting 1 gig of ram and 3.2 intel processor. Also would it need any additional video cards or I can just use the one on board (if so whats the cheapest nvidia card I can go with).

I am sorry for so many questions but im really stumped on choosing the perfect motherboard.

Thanks!!

Ive built a 1120-16 channel system with 512DDR2 and a 3.2GHZ P4 5xx

Ran Perfect. Actually used on board video, but then I added an X300 ATI Card anyway, though didn't notice any difference.

rory - 11 Jan 2007, 10:16 pm

and the board I used in that case was a cheaper MSI 865 Chipset Mobo also .. still had the Intel 950 video and after updates it was great.

JimS_99 - 11 Jan 2007, 10:19 pm

Rory, I did a lot of research on Intel chipset MB's. Narrowed it down to the P5B & P5W. After reading several reviews and looking at the manuals I decided on the P5W. Here's a link to a really good review of the P5W P5B and other Intel MB's:

http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2797&p=3

Not saying my selection is the best, just had to make a decision and I selected the P5W.

rory - 11 Jan 2007, 10:22 pm

[quote:6179aa0d1d="tmushy"]

QUOTE:
this is what Im going to be using next .. for a micro case version.
http://www.directron.com/p5lmx.html

and then this one for the full server version
http://www.directron.com/p5bdeluxemb.html

http://www.directron.com/p5lmx.html looks like a good choice. is 1gb of ram enough and can I simply use the onboard video. Read people had success with onboard video

yep .. with this case
http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/directron_1929_557119746

Note im going for size now .. last few jobs it had to be micro cases .. the large cases just wouldnt fit ... in fact the last one i did, I gutted an Emachine case just for the DVR .. :-)

JT - 12 Jan 2007, 10:08 am

So are any of you folks running 720x480 full on audio 24x7?

And I see that Digital Whatgaurd is using the Intel D duo in there boxes they sell. But I note that most of you seem to be using the P4. Is there a P4 advantage over the Duo D? Or will the Geo even use the Duo core in whole?

http://www.digitalwatchguard.com/securitycameras/pc/viewCategories.asp?idCategory=363

JT - 13 Jan 2007, 09:26 pm

Bump

LittleScoobyMaster - 14 Jan 2007, 12:10 pm

QUOTE:
this is what Im going to be using next .. for a micro case version.
http://www.directron.com/p5lmx.html

Hello Rory. I'm looking at that same micro board as well but I can't decide between the p5l-mx and p5l-vm.

I wouldn't mind paying the extra $19 for the p5l-VM as it has a NewEgg 5 star rating versus the 4 star p5l-MX. (I live by NewEgg ratings, can't help it - to be fair though, the VM only has 23 reviews compared to the MX 27 reviews). I also only buy Asus boards and will never switch.

VM:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131046

MX:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131041

Anything wrong with the P5L-VM for a Geovision GV-650 that you can think of (or any reason the MX would be the better choice versus the VM if the $19 isn't too much of a concern)?

It's for my home system that I'm upgrading. Probably pair it with the E6300 (unless I splurge and get the better value E6600).

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819115005

Anything I'm not seeing with the VM that I should be that would make it not be a good choice for a GV-650?

JT - 14 Jan 2007, 12:33 pm

Cons: LAN shuts down around 320fsb which severely limits OC'ing. WinXP Standby/Hibernation were intermittently inhibited due to using PCI video since BIOS does not completely disable onboard video.

LittleScoobyMaster - 14 Jan 2007, 12:39 pm

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Cons: LAN shuts down around 320fsb which severely limits OC'ing. WinXP Standby/Hibernation were intermittently inhibited due to using PCI video since BIOS does not completely disable onboard video.

Read that but I won't be overclocking this board and I was planning on running Windows 2000 or 2003 server on it and I never use hybernation or standby modes on any servers. Anything else I might be missing though for running the GV-600 on it? (Note: earlier I said GV-650 but I keep forgetting I still only have the GV-600-8cam v3). The 650 is what I wish I had.

BTW, any descent upgrade paths from a GV-600 to a GV650 or GV800 that can do Version 8.1?

My GV-600 only does 7.x and I missed the upgrade promo they had a while back plus I don't know how good the promo was (you could trade in your old cards for new 8.x cards or something but my vendor never got back to me with pricing info on the upgrade promo).

rory - 14 Jan 2007, 02:36 pm

you can run the GV600 or 650 or even 800 for that matter, on much less of a motherboard .. so dont worry too much about it. I havent looked at all the specs on that other version mobo yet .. plus i never go by reviews,. because alot of the times there are other underlying causes for a problem which the user did not take into consideration.

In fact, I have a 1120 running on a cheap MSI motherboard with not one issue , and an 800 with a 2.6 celleron, SIS chipset, and 256MB ram from a year and a half ago ... no issues once again. :wink:

You are better off spurging on a decent UPS with Automatic Voltage Regulation. Without some form of voltage Regulation even the best mobo in the world could be rendered useless. :wink:

LittleScoobyMaster - 14 Jan 2007, 03:04 pm

Thanks. I already have several UPS's. I guess I'm wondering more from a point of problems issue on the board with GV cards than performance.

My last GV system was running a board with an AMD processor and it was fine for speed (AMD XP2000 which I think was only around 1.6Ghertz). Could only run the GV-600 since most others would of had the Glint\Via issue, which at the time, I should have just bought the 650 and upgraded to a different motherboard but I wanted to make my old AMD board last a couple extra years which it did, but now, going forward, I mostly only use Intel\Asus combo's.

When are you going to order your MX?

I'm on the fence between that and the VM at the moment.

I'll have to research it further I guess.
Also, what don't you like about the P5GZ? That looks like a good board as well for a Core 2 Duo system (That's the board Collin recomended above in this thread, just wondering what you like more about the 5L over the P5GZ?). I can't remember the difference between the 2 chipsets (GZ versus G).

rory - 14 Jan 2007, 03:17 pm

thats the board Directron has .. i dont use New Egg.
It has everything we need.

Actually should be placing an order for a system over the next couple days.

Rory

LittleScoobyMaster - 14 Jan 2007, 04:18 pm

QUOTE:
thats the board Directron has .. i dont use New Egg.
It has everything we need.

Actually should be placing an order for a system over the next couple days.

Rory

Cool. You'll have to give us an update on how it goes.

It's starting to look like the only advantage the VM has over the MX (besides the 5 stars) is the 1394 firewire support which I won't be using anyway so now I just have to decide between the P5L-MX and the P5GZ-MX since it seems like the VM extra $19 is just paying for the firewire I won't need (can anyone confirm there isn't much else the VM adds over the MX?).

The only thing I don't like about the GZ is the reference in the specs:

*Due to chipset limitation, Intel� Core� 2 processors can only run at a maximum speed of 800 MHZ FSB on this motherboard.

I heard this was addressed in a BIOS update but I haven't confirmed it.

Collin, were you eyeing the P5GZ or did you just quickly pick that board because it met the specs that JT was looking for? Have you used the P5GZ before? What do you think between it and the P5L-MX?

Both boards look very good and the price is almost exact ($10 difference maybe).

Which do you think is better and why?

rory - 14 Jan 2007, 04:29 pm

Remember im uising this for compact systems .. with and without an X300 Video card .. im going to try one .. if it sucks then Ill just sell the ones below .. but should be fine

Id be using this for the larger systems with more drives ..

http://www.asus.com/products4.aspx?l1=3&l2=11&l3=185&model=515&modelmenu=1
http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/directron_1929_777998513

with a Dual Core 3.4

and this one for the higher end system ..
http://www.asus.com/products4.aspx?l1=3&l2=11&l3=307&model=1295&modelmenu=1
http://lib.store.yahoo.net/lib/directron/ds3141ssbk01.jpg

with a Quad-Core CPU BX80562QX6700, 2.66 GHz, 8MB

this is the one im looking at for the budget systems ..
http://www.biostar-usa.com/mbdetails.asp?model=865G%20Micro%20775
with a 15" LCD, 2.66 Celeron, i can get this under $400. Enough to run a GV650.

And before anyone mentions it, that Biostar Mobo is alot better than the mobos found on most of the mainstream Dells, HPs, etc.

LittleScoobyMaster - 16 Jan 2007, 09:45 pm

Hey Rory. Check out New Egg's website today, they just added the OEM version of the board you want to get.

It's only $51. I'd post the link but I keep getting a posting error. Just go to New Egg's site and search for p5l, it will bring up the 3 boards (The MX retail, MX OEM, and VM).

CollinR - 17 Jan 2007, 10:30 am

QUOTE:
Collin, were you eyeing the P5GZ or did you just quickly pick that board because it met the specs that JT was looking for? Have you used the P5GZ before? What do you think between it and the P5L-MX?

Both boards look very good and the price is almost exact ($10 difference maybe).

Which do you think is better and why?

I like the P5GZ-MX because:

1. It's and Asus
2. It has lot of hackability for an OEM system builder.
3. It has on board video, the Intel graphics accelerator has proven to me to be comparable with ATI and Nvida for CCTV DVRs (may well take my home theater business too). No for gaming, not at all!
4. It's actually cheaper. :D

All of those things are also in common with the P5L-MX, I would expect it to perform great as well.

JT - 17 Jan 2007, 11:05 am

Anyone running VISTA with the GEO software?

rory - 17 Jan 2007, 05:36 pm

QUOTE:
Hey Rory. Check out New Egg's website today, they just added the OEM version of the board you want to get.

It's only $51. I'd post the link but I keep getting a posting error. Just go to New Egg's site and search for p5l, it will bring up the 3 boards (The MX retail, MX OEM, and VM).

thanks, yes larry is checking into the link errors.

Rory

rory - 17 Jan 2007, 05:38 pm

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Anyone running VISTA with the GEO software?

I dont think anyone would want to .. ive heard it is such a slower OS ..
the cost of parts to build the DVR would make it too expensive to resell to clients, and to maintain the new OS .. that wont be ready for quite a while yet, ive heard it is much different.

LittleScoobyMaster - 29 Jan 2007, 07:32 am

Hey Rory, did you ever end up picking up a p5l-mx?

If so, how did it work out? Any issues?

rory - 29 Jan 2007, 01:58 pm

not yet ..still waiting for funds.

berlix - 03 Mar 2007, 04:56 pm

Post relocated, didnt want to thread jack.

Rick

rory - 05 Mar 2007, 04:41 pm

Turns out i just today had to swap a MSI board that was causing issues, at least everything was changed and still causing issues, so only thing left is the mobo (well CPU also but doubt thats it).. anyway all they happened to have in the local store that wasnt over $300 and had an Intel Chipset, was a P5L-MX :)

Loosing money on the job but at least now I get to test this mobo ..
with a GV1120 also ;)

Its all been swapped but still have to attach the power switch cables, etc, boot up, and load Windows and Geo. Will let you know how it goes ..

Oh yeah, im going to use onboard video for now ..

LittleScoobyMaster - 05 Mar 2007, 09:30 pm

I think you'll like the P5L-MX. I picked one up and turned it into a media server \ home arcade system (MAME and other emu's). I originally was going to use the P5L-MX for the home surveillance server but I became hooked on some old school games and chose to do that one first but I want to order another P5L-MX to upgrade my GEO system with.

I have to see if they will let me upgrade my GV-600 rev 3 to the ver 8 one but I don't know if they will. Has anyone had any luck with the trade in program?

You'll have to let us know how you like the P5L-MX. I think it's pretty good, older ICH but it's more proven. It's hard to go wrong with ASUS.

rory - 05 Mar 2007, 11:29 pm

Thanks, so far so good ..

Its a 945 chipset BTW ... so not too old ..
they had the 915 as an option actually .. but I didnt want to use that in this case ..

I may actually just get these for the home PCs too, instead of the 965's ..
Since they are quite a difference in price .. for us down here at least.
Besides if we ever upgrade to a quad core CPU, then thats going to cost anyway, and they will have a new version motherboard/chipset out by then. :) :)

JT - 26 Mar 2007, 04:02 pm

Ok! The system has been running for some time now and working perfectly!.