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so 1000 cameras=1000 dvrs? :shock:

nuts

What is a filosofi DVR? We will be evaluating different DVR's in 2008 to replace our current NICE/FAST/Honeywell Enterprise system. We will already be checking out the Dallmeier and IndigoVision products, but what else is out there that can handle at least 2000 cameras, both analog and IP.

Have you seen latest Trident lineup? This company just got bought out by Tyco Security and it is a very flexible platform. Does operate with various IP cameras and encoders from non-AD wagon... Here is their url: http://www.tridenttek.com/

I should see the first cut of this software along with Intellex IP and along with few encoders from both AD and from others for testing purposes.. I am told it is fairly easy system to adhere to...

Sorry, AD products, in fact all Tyco products, will not be considered. The same applies to Synectics products.

All other serious products will be considered. By serious, I mean something designed for casino or other large and complex installs. The system must be at least as capable as our existing Honeywell Enterprise system with a superior support organization and be customizable and have a quick learning curve.

A huge plus would be systems that can take advantage of our existing equipment and infrastructure. The details of these can not be revealed on this forum but will be discussed with serious proposers.

From my experience of dealing with casino's...well actually...it is usually through consultants who specify for casino's the statement of over a 1000 cameras is not over estimated and very correct indeed that one camera per box, the reasons for that are many.

It is easy to record MPEG2 quality and 1 input at full frame rate...if one DVr fails..you only loose 1 x camera at a time...not 16.

Usually tables are 1 cam to box, and mostly Sanyo MPEG2 recorders, however common areas are often used on multiple boxs.

As for the right software...although casinos are usually around 1000 cameras that is not exactly a massive amount when you consider multiple other projects,but it is the kudos of the manufacturer to say that their cams are installed at the casino...we have only a few..not like the USA.

So what tends to happen is everything runs through a analog matrix..thats right analog...and the matrix is configured to speak to each DVR, so they simply use single input dvr's mapped to something similar to a cad diagram, and the matrix controls it all..most manufactorers work together to write the integration as it is in their best insterests to do so.

Seen several casino sitesz..very impressive and yet very hard to even get a look at....need security clearances etc!

Hi down under.....ever been in Melbourne and played?


JD

Yes played a few times there...only small stuff though

Have you tried Pelco Endura?

No. We did look at the DX9000 before we bought our present system and we will probably evaluate the Endura, although I have heard a few bad things about it.

Looks like the boys at Tyco Security, or should I say ADT really did it this time, didn't they? :D

Did you guys played with any of recent Bosch solutions available? How about their latest DIBOS series that does handle all the current camera requirement and is a future proof for handling IP cameras. Combined with their latest external storage with RAID5 capability, they offer probably one of the most comprehensive solutions in the market... Please send me PM and we can talk, if you want.

We looked at the Philips Hi-Q system in 2002/2003, but nothing since. I'll PM you next week. We are looking to start evaluating systems in early 2008.

the gf called mgm today and they said depending whos in charge that day will depend if I can get a tour or not of there setup...she said they seemed pretty lax about it think thatd be pretty cool though ive got my fingers crossed :D

Look forward to it... and thanks.

I must admiot Dallmier have some good set ups for casino grade equipment...I saw a demo recently by the Dallmier reps where it was recognising cards on a table through some kind of OCR, it was pretty cool but not 100% accurate, I am not sure if it was third party software...but it may be worth a look.

It sounds like the Tangam system (http://www.tangamgaming.com/), which is being distributed in the U.S. by NICE.

We have looked at it and talked to both the Tangam and the NICE people and we think that they are totally missing the boat on the product. They are selling it to Table Games departments for use in the BJ pits; not in Surveillance. Another casino east of San Diego has it on trial and AFAIK, their Surveillance Department does not have access to it. And they have a Dallmeier DVR system.

Unless a casino's camerage coverage on their Blackjack tables is totally awful, there is no real need for the system. We only have to see the value of the cards, not the suit. That is easily picked up by analog cameras. And while there would be some advantage to using the system for ease of following the action and for its analytic capabilities, the $10,000 cost per table and the inablity to record and playback the game play severely hobbles the system.

Tangam's slow progress adapting it for "Carnival Games" (Poker, Pai Gow and the like) where the suit of the cards has a bearing on the outcome of the game, may make it a useful marketing tool but not very practical or cost effective for casinos in general and casino Surveillance departments in particular.