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Need Help Buying: DVR, Cameras, Etc
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| rory |
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Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 11:48 pm
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Wow at this thread!
Anyway my quick 5 cents. There's places where PC DVRs cant go, and a stand alone can (depending on the DVR ofcourse) such as hot dusty environments, small closet shelves, etc. Cost of a basic stand alone DVR is almost 1/4 the price of a basic PC DVR (using decent enough parts ofcourse). There are places where I would definitely prefer a PC DVR also, I can change the parts if they go bad, in country and fast, the features blow away even most of the expensive large brand name stand alones - mind some more expensive yet PC DVR priced equivalent OEM stand alones of late have highly impressed me with their features.
I get alot of emails, Scorpion knows, those $50 DVRs from Asia for example. It might not have LAN, but hey it doesnt crash either, it just records and thats about it, hence Digital Video Recorder.  But its not your GeoVision DVR thats for sure - its near featureLESS.
Anyway, we've been through this over the years quite a few times, it really depends on one's clientel, and support one can get and or give on the product. A $50 DVR is great but useless if its going to cost us $150 to ship it back anytime it goes bad. If we sell 5,000 of them though, and only a couple go bad, we made out good enough to afford that expense.
PC DVRs .. oh yeah .. was buulding them for a while as many know, and supporting them, writing the odd software for them, etc, mainly GeoVision. Anyway, lately you would goto order PC Parts and the next day they are gone, out of stock or discontinued - then you need to order completely different parts. Its really annoying. less you prebuild dozens of them, its tough keeping up with the hardware these days, and pricing too. Building to order became pointless to me, I stopped selling them for now.
But ofcourse look at where I live .. tings different down here dred.
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| rory |
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Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 11:55 pm
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Oh yeah and to answer the OPs post, bottom line is it depends on Budget and how experienced, or at least how confident you are, with PC parts and or learning how to adjust cameras - course a cheap bullet camera needs little adjustment, but selecting the right camera for the job can use some knowledge and experience.
Ofcourse the forum is here for these reasons so ask away.
How good are your parents with the PC, if you arent there they will need to know what to do in the case of .. whatever .. eg. Windows doesnt come back up ..DVR stopped recording .. or the cops need to get video off it. In other words are they PC literate? If not, then best bet is with a basic stand alone DVR, nothing too fancy in that area either, as they themselves can be confusing also.
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| Rebco |
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Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 7:34 am
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Just remember, the difference between a good install and a bad install happens before you drill a single hole. Good installers take the time to draw everything out using graph paper, rulers and a protractor. A camera sees in a cone - the distance between the two 'lines' is the camera's angle of view. Plot everything out and try some different camera set ups. As far as lens/sensor choice, feel free to contact me directly and I can give you some more resources....
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I agree but what happend to being a good installer you design a great system and them give them crappy chinese cards with Pico (or other crap)software? Tell me how that makes you a good installer or am i missing something, You can give them the best cameras in the world 20 megapixels and it would still be worthless if a lawyer starts asking questions if it was altered in someway, Ye i will spend $300 dollars for a camera and then save my video onto a $200 DVR. WOW 16 camera Dvr for less than $400. Makes sense I guess i have been doing it all wrong all these years. What can your card do better than a quaity pc based dvr or stand alone for that matter? I try to get people to buy quality items when thay can afford it But Ebay items that i will have to service. thanks but no thanks....I don't want the headache or the bad name...
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| Yes. Luckly we have started a CCTV rehab foundation. |
Why was I not sent a membership letter?
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| scorpion |
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Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 7:44 am
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The CCTV industry is rapidly changing, more people are installing their own systems, instead of hiring a professional, no wonder the industry is getting a bad name when you see images on the news from robberies that are out of focus or unuseable in a court of law.
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I do not know why, but this quote kept "ringing" in my head. As I thought about it.
I remember in the old days as a kid where I would be standing at an open window, and I would be looking at a TV, and I would be screaming out the window "right there dad! No, you went to far! Turn it back a little! No, the other way!"
My dad would be up on the roof reorienting the TV antenna after it blew "off course" from the wind.
In those days didn't everybody do their own antenna? We used any kind of pipe we could find! If it was in a garbage pile, and it was long, then it was gone!!
As that quote went through my head I think about today where I call a cable company to come out, and resolve my issues. They used to run a cable for free, but now they charge for that.
Will there be a company that rents you CCTV equipment in the future, and we just call them to resolve an issue?? In the future will everyone stop looking for those "long pipes in the garbage" and rely on a company to do it for us?
In the future what CCTV company will have the JD POWERS trophy to claim number one in customer service?
As I see it, down the road the DIY will probably go by the way side for the majority of us.
I see a day where the mega corps will be buying out every mom n pop CCTV business, and forming a giant consortium.
HMMMM. Food for thought!
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| RickA |
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Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 8:29 am
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Scorpion and what is the price for yours? As usual there goes the tech support. 
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| alanjh1965 |
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Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 10:46 am
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| My dad would be up on the roof reorienting the TV antenna after it blew "off course" from the wind. |
and I bet he wasn't even wearing a full safety harness, hard hat, high vis vest, safety boots 
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| scorpion |
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Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 11:43 am
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| and I bet he wasn't even wearing a full safety harness, hard hat, high vis vest, safety boots |
You got that right!
LOL!
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Why was I not sent a membership letter?
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You were given a LifeTime Memebership prepaid. You must have missed the memo.
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| Scorpion and what is the price for yours? |
My what?
With purchase then tech support is free, (with some limitations).
I try to figure things out over the phone, and then I will drive out to the location. If the DVR is not recording then I am out there right away.
Without purchase, then I will give you 15 minutes of free time to take a look at "it", but they have to bring it to the shop themselves. If it can be worked on then I will quote a price for repairs. If I fix it, I may not charge so that I can gain a customer.
If I have to drive out to a location then it is $50 for residential, and $100.00 for commercial.
I try not to charge $100.00 just to plug the power strip back in. I try to explain that you cannot unplug the cord from the wall to make room for another plug, and that the power strip will not work when it is plugged in to itself.
If a stranger with a product comes in with an attitude, and it is not a product that we sold, then I may not help him/her at all!
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| RickA |
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Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 8:56 am
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You missed the mark on that one Scorpion, was asking how much to sell your business to the large consortium, and then there goes the tech support! 
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| Rebco |
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Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 9:46 am
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Hey Rick, Scorpion is the mega corporation, Hes just here to see what the little guys like me and you are doing.... 
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| RickA |
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Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 10:00 am
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forgot, must be getting ready to buy out the Bahama group.
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| Rebco |
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Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 10:08 am
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Thats it Now i know why he wants to get us all together for a little Mini Workshop in Florida? "home turf"    
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| RickA |
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Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 1:01 pm
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Yep, you will now take this offer or cement overshoes and in the ocean. 
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Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 7:17 pm
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| pteam |
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Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 3:16 pm
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Do you guys think the IC Realtime FLEX16 R30 is the best DVR? You will be able to clearly see faces over remote internet viewing?
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| scorpion |
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Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 4:36 pm
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Depending on the camera/lighting you will get an awesome picture!
It is def one of my favorite DVRs for the price.
There are better/more expensive DVRS (DM).
I am glad that you are aware of the R30 upgrade. That makes the DVR an awesome device!
During playback you can only see two cameras at one time. You can toggle the camera buttons to move your "view" around.
I just wanted to make sure you were aware of that. Other then that it gets a two thumbs up rating!
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