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scorpion
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Post subject: ** Simple Pocket knives will become illegal. ** Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 6:55 am |
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Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 4449 Location: Melbourne Florida
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jeromephone
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 8:22 am |
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Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 904 Location: ST Joe , MI
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You have to wonder what this costs to come up with let alone enforce.
We have been under this stupid color code for terror attacks I am sure this costs several million dollars to come up with. What exactly am I supposed to do at the various color levels anyway. I check for bombs under my truck every morning and walk a zig zag path everywhere I go. It must be working no attacks so far. Now I have another threat to deal with, pocket knives I will really be mad if some terriost gets me with a swiss army knife an not a big old explosion of some type. I probably wont even make the front page of the local paper.
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ak357
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 10:57 am |
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Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 2101 Location: Canada
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jeromephone wrote: You have to wonder what this costs to come up with let alone enforce.
We have been under this stupid color code for terror attacks I am sure this costs several million dollars to come up with. What exactly am I supposed to do at the various color levels anyway. I check for bombs under my truck every morning and walk a zig zag path everywhere I go. It must be working no attacks so far. Now I have another threat to deal with, pocket knives I will really be mad if some terriost gets me with a swiss army knife an not a big old explosion of some type. I probably wont even make the front page of the local paper.
That funny 
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Soundy
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 11:41 am |
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Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 8538 Location: The Burbs of Vancouver
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ak357 wrote: jeromephone wrote: You have to wonder what this costs to come up with let alone enforce.
We have been under this stupid color code for terror attacks I am sure this costs several million dollars to come up with. What exactly am I supposed to do at the various color levels anyway. I check for bombs under my truck every morning and walk a zig zag path everywhere I go. It must be working no attacks so far. Now I have another threat to deal with, pocket knives I will really be mad if some terriost gets me with a swiss army knife an not a big old explosion of some type. I probably wont even make the front page of the local paper. That funny 
That's like that old joke, little Johnny walking around the house banging on a pot with a wooden spoon. His mom stops him and asks him why he's making all the noise, little Johnny says, "Mom, that's to keep the alligators away!" Mom says, "But Johnny, there are no alligators where we live!" "Well you see then, it's working!"
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Sawbones
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Post subject: Re: ** Simple Pocket knives will become illegal. ** Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 11:58 am |
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Joined: Aug 2008 Posts: 871 Location: USA, below the Mason Dixon
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So it does or DOES NOT cover knives that have a little thumb-thingy to open them? If it does, that's only bout 90% of all the popular folding knives on the market. 
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Soundy
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Post subject: Re: ** Simple Pocket knives will become illegal. ** Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 12:23 pm |
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Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 8538 Location: The Burbs of Vancouver
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Nevermind folding knives, that would apply to pretty much any contractor's utility or carpet knife...  
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Sawbones
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Post subject: Re: ** Simple Pocket knives will become illegal. ** Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 1:03 pm |
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Joined: Aug 2008 Posts: 871 Location: USA, below the Mason Dixon
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OK... I read through the 60-page PDF linked above. The "we think this is a switchblade and should be illegal" stuff starts about page 27. They're talking about "assisted opening" knives, not traditional lock-back or "tactical folder" knives. There is a long-standing law in the United States against the importation of switchblades. The sticking point seems to be the definition of "switchblade." I recall switchblades from when I was a teen... you click a button and the the knife springs out/open. The CBP has extended that definition to include "assisted opening" knives. These are knives that ARE spring-loaded like a conventional switchblade, but require you to open them about 30 degrees before the spring kicks in... it's actually a pretty clever design. Here are some videos with the specific knives mentioned in the report: "Outburst" opening system: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6V72tillFkY"Van Hoy assist" opening system: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAzun_6hJag"Tailwind spring assist" opening system (obnoxious music): http://revver.com/video/1348300/colt-firefighter-tailwind-spring-assist-knife/I can almost see the CBP's point in this, coming at it from a legalese standpoint. Those knives open almost instantly, and look, at least to the layman, like a switchblade. On the other hand, I think the law behind it is silly. I've been in plenty of situations where I needed a one-hand opening knife (up on a ladder, holding something up with one hand, while needing to cut something with the other... out fishing... etc). PLENTY of people have a legitimate need for an easy, one-hand-opening knife. As far as the "weapon," angle... if somebody is worried about the folding knife visible in my pocket? Well... let's just say they've COMPLETELY missed the boat.
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cglaeser
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Post subject: Re: ** Simple Pocket knives will become illegal. ** Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 2:09 pm |
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Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 1389 Location: Pleasanton, CA
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Sawbones wrote: On the other hand, I think the law behind it is silly. It's not silly if you sell knives. It's great for business. Guns, bullets, knives ... sales always spike on internet chatter like this. Best, Christopher
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Sawbones
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Post subject: Re: ** Simple Pocket knives will become illegal. ** Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 2:39 pm |
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Joined: Aug 2008 Posts: 871 Location: USA, below the Mason Dixon
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cglaeser wrote: Sawbones wrote: On the other hand, I think the law behind it is silly. It's not silly if you sell knives. It's great for business. Guns, bullets, knives ... sales always spike on internet chatter like this.Best, Christopher Sure... I absolutely agree, and there's nothing wrong with it. Everybody's got to make a living
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cglaeser
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Post subject: Re: ** Simple Pocket knives will become illegal. ** Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 3:52 pm |
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Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 1389 Location: Pleasanton, CA
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Sawbones wrote: Sure... I absolutely agree, and there's nothing wrong with it. Everybody's got to make a living Sure, nothing wrong with it, but a lot of people are being played for fools. Here's an example of how it works. A law is passed that makes a particular type of gun or bullet or knife illegal. The law will go into affect in 18 months. Manufacturers fire up the production line as orders increase five fold. Sales outstrip supply, there is a shortage, buyers are frantic to stock up on items they would never have purchased in the first place had the law not been passed. If it's going to be illegal, then they have to have a dozen. Then the law takes affect. Several years later the law expires. Now that the item is legal again, sales are low. So, they introduce a bill to make them illegal again, sales jump, and so it goes ...  OK, so who really benefits from this cycle? Want to increase CCTV sales? Introduce a bill making them illegal and then hype it on the internet. Your sales will jump through the roof. Best, Christopher
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tomcctv
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Post subject: Re: ** Simple Pocket knives will become illegal. ** Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 4:52 pm |
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this law is already in use in the uk. see link below. i also spent time in america and one night went out with friends to a bar i started playing on a slot machine and after a while i won a ticket that you exchanged at the bar for a prize. it was a leather bound case with 4 small knives with golden eagles on the handles. i was so pissssssssss## that i could not bring them back to the uk. http://www.goxplore.net/guides/Knife_law_(UK)
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Sawbones
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Post subject: Re: ** Simple Pocket knives will become illegal. ** Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 5:46 pm |
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Joined: Aug 2008 Posts: 871 Location: USA, below the Mason Dixon
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tomcctv wrote: this law is already in use in the uk. see link below. i also spent time in america and one night went out with friends to a bar i started playing on a slot machine and after a while i won a ticket that you exchanged at the bar for a prize. it was a leather bound case with 4 small knives with golden eagles on the handles. i was so pissssssssss## that i could not bring them back to the uk.http://www.goxplore.net/guides/Knife_law_(UK) Madness... nanny-state run amok.
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Erron S.
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Post subject: Re: ** Simple Pocket knives will become illegal. ** Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 6:05 pm |
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Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 176 Location: Westminster, Colorado
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I still prefer a good 'ol pointy stick. So a folding knife could become illegal, but a knife in a sheith isn't? Isn't a blade that's aready out faster than having to unfold a blade?
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Sawbones
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Post subject: Re: ** Simple Pocket knives will become illegal. ** Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 6:09 pm |
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Joined: Aug 2008 Posts: 871 Location: USA, below the Mason Dixon
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Erron S. wrote: I still prefer a good 'ol pointy stick. So a folding knife could become illegal, but a knife in a sheith isn't? Isn't a blade that's aready out faster than having to unfold a blade?Ayup. Guess people will start carrying KA-BARs  .
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rory
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Post subject: Re: ** Simple Pocket knives will become illegal. ** Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 6:58 pm |
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Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 20988 Location: the sun
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im tired of seeing kids getting stabbed on cctv .. but most arent using pocket knives.
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