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 Post subject: BEST PLACE TO INSTALL CAMERAS
PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 11:52 am 
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hi
where would you install cameras on this shape building
can use upto 6 fixed cameras
or 5 fixed and 1 cheep ptz
plenty of light at front and left side
but no light at right or back

also what cameras would be good to use
£600 camera budget
cheers :)
building is 200 feet x 60 feet


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 Post subject: Re: BEST PLACE TO INSTALL CAMERAS
PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 2:02 pm 
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Not enough information.

Are these cameras going inside or outside?

What's around the building?

What are the areas of concern? Doors? Parking lot(s)? Storage areas?

Are you worried about internal theft, external theft, car break-ins, building break-ins?

Is it all open? Fenced? Gated? Paved? Overgrown? Forested?

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 Post subject: Re: BEST PLACE TO INSTALL CAMERAS
PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 3:25 pm 
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the cameras are going on the outside and then 1 or 2 will be fitted later on the inside
its just the outside for now
there is a carpark to left of the building just open land around the rest of it
all way round the outside needs to be covered to protect whats inside
there is open land on 3 sides and carpark on 1 .
thanks for any sugestions :)

would this be ok
or can it be planed better


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 8:57 am 
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a better picture of the building
if thats any better


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 Post subject: Re: BEST PLACE TO INSTALL CAMERAS
PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 9:53 am 
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Well....
& I only play a professional on the internet :)


If you can only handle 6, make 1 a PTZ & make one a fish eye 180 degree

180 cam example only....
Clover HDC500 Panoramic E.T. Color Camera CCTV camera - fixed - weatherproof

Good luck
This assuming your DVR can auto scan w/ the PTZ & has motion tracking option....


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 10:23 am 
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PaulsonLaws idea is good, the fisheye won't catch detail though. i would put the PTZ on the corner, where PaulsonLaw placed the fisheye, you get a LOT more coverage then.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 10:33 am 
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The tough part of all this is the area you need to cover. Unfortunately, any camera in that price range that covers the entire area, won't give you any usable level of detail: you'll see people moving about and might even see them perpetrating, but it will be virtually impossible to identify anyone. Unless you have someone watching and monitoring the live video who can call the cops when they see something hinky going on, I'm afraid there's a good chance the results will be useless.

Remember that a PTZ will only record what it's looking at, and without a person operating it, it will be of very limited use in a situation like this: even if you have it on a constant tour, it will still only catch a small area at a time and miss the rest.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 10:35 am 
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with a ptz you will miss something if it happend ........... i know you say you only need 6 cameras but you would have to buy a 8 way dvr anyway so i would go to 8 cameras for more coverage.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 2:22 pm 
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thanks for the sugestions ill take them on board
will have to have extra cameras if possible
a couple of extra varifocal to zoom in on the hot spots

what about this also
the house
max 6 fixed cameras or 2 ptz and 2 fixed
there is a upvc conservatory to the right garden
cheers


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True, never thought about the detail of a fisheye, 2x the data on the same channel would have to mean 1/2 the detail.....

I agree, 8 cams would set you fine there...

Have you bought a system yet?


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 6:23 pm 
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PaulsonLaw wrote:
Have you bought a system yet?


not for my friend yet
my friend for the house and large building above
is thinking of 2 x apollo 8 hd's and we are going to see a local instaler to price all the cameras and cable and power suplys e.c.t
tomorrow
we are in the uk
wheres a good place to buy from at a good resonable rate
and what price do we need to be paying for an apollo hd 8 channel
500 or 1000 gb?

thanks for all your help and advice :)


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 7:59 pm 
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PaulsonLaw wrote:
True, never thought about the detail of a fisheye, 2x the data on the same channel would have to mean 1/2 the detail.....


in places where i need a wide FOV i have used two (sometimes even more) cameras on channels next to eachother on the DVR (1 and 2, 3 and 4, etc) it works well.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 11:20 pm 
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Remember that a PTZ will only record what it's looking at, and without a person operating it, it will be of very limited use in a situation like this: even if you have it on a constant tour, it will still only catch a small area at a time and miss the rest.

I've come to realize that as I recommend ptz's to my employer as well. That's why I think if you're talking ptz, it must have auto tracking. That's the best shot at honing in on something and getting useful ID. And it would seem like the ptz would actually serve better mostly parked fairly wide, or with a few wide overlapping presets so motion will kick auto tracking in. And from what I've seen, auto tracking ptz's are pricey. There are some down in the 800 or so range, but it's usually more like 1,300 and up. But I still think a ptz with auto tracking is the ultimate way to go to cover large expanses. The auto tracking serves as the person working the camera when no ones there, and you still have nice control for the person who will be there on security shifts to zero in on things as needed. I'm all but convinced well placed auto tracking ptz's is the only way to cover large, multiple areas and have a shot at anything for ID. Other than that, like Soundy says- all you do is see it, with no ID capability.

I only post this link for the video footage of the ptz auto tracking vids-

http://www.skywaysecurity.com/auto-trac ... -video.cfm

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 11:48 pm 
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Auto-tracking looks like a good idea... until you have more than one object to track. Then you'd better hope it chooses the right one. Or hope that there IS only one.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 11:54 pm 
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Yes. There are a few youtube demos of this. There has to be some kind of formula when the object cross paths. Perhaps it's the closer one?




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