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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 6:35 pm 
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Hey guys. I hope that someone can help me out on this. I have a small system with different brands of cameras. The best camera I own is a Clinton CE-VF54IR (#3 in this picture) It is mounted on the back of my shop. On the front of my shop is a $60 no name camera (#1 in this picture)
This pic was taken at dusk with no extra light sources. Any idea why the clinton is so dark? The ir's are all functioning.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 8:10 pm 
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FYI, I thought it could be the 12vdc power supply so I have switched over to 24v but nothing has changed. :-(


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 9:53 pm 
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The clinton doesn't appear to be a true day/night camera, so it is not going to do well in low light. The PDF on the camera shows a lot of potential for setting various parameters, so maybe you have something set wrong. Make sure the shutter speed isn't set too fast.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 9:57 pm 
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I'd lose both of them and go with whatever is on channel 4- install one on all four channels.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 10:55 pm 
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Channel 4 is a crappy one too but I have 4 x 50watt halogen pot lights on in that pic.
This is new to me. Wouldn't a cam with 42ir led's be considered a true night cam?
I can't access the menu because I don't have the Clinton plug in remote. :-(
I don't know what it costs but I would buy it if you guys think it will make a difference.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 11:11 pm 
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The PDF for this camera says "sense up feature for optimal night image"


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 6:33 am 
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ocdchris wrote:
Channel 4 is a crappy one too but I have 4 x 50watt halogen pot lights on in that pic.
This is new to me. Wouldn't a cam with 42ir led's be considered a true night cam?
I can't access the menu because I don't have the Clinton plug in remote. :-(
I don't know what it costs but I would buy it if you guys think it will make a difference.


True day/night cameras have an infrared filter that automatically moves out of the way so the camera can see better in low light. It is called a removable IR cut filter. Since it is not a true day night camera, I would not spend any more on it.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 9:00 am 
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Gads - you need a proprietary remote to access the OSD?? 42 LEDs and that's all you get for illumination? *gak*

You shouldn't be asking why a $60 camera is "outperforming" a $200 camera, you should be asking why you paid $200 for a $30 camera.

"Sense Up" is a "trick" many cameras use to get better night shots by slowing down the shutter speed, thus allowing the camera to collect more light, but at the expense of causing "motion blur" - like the truck in this shot:

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Check out the samples here for a good low-light camera, no IR required: viewtopic.php?f=4&t=25383&start=59

That camera goes for well under $200

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 9:22 am 
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ocdchris wrote:
Channel 4 is a crappy one too but I have 4 x 50watt halogen pot lights on in that pic.
This is new to me. Wouldn't a cam with 42ir led's be considered a true night cam?
I can't access the menu because I don't have the Clinton plug in remote. :-(
I don't know what it costs but I would buy it if you guys think it will make a difference.




rarther than paying more money to the company (another $68) i would send the camera back. if it was a controller that went inline then ok. but its not you will only use it once and thats it.


2 options. 1, send camera back or 2, ask them to loan you a controller (if not returned in 14 days they can invoice you for it)


but i would not spend anymore money (you have already paid for a camera you cant set-up)


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 11:16 am 
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Thanks guys.
I'm gonna try a couple things. I'm gonna take it to the dealer and ask them to do a factory reset. Just in case this was messed with and returned before I purchased it.
If that doesn't work, I'm gonna use it in another location that has more light.
I can't return for refund because it is past the warranty. I purchased it a while ago as a spare and it was not installed until recently.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 2:43 pm 
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Is this outside in back or inside? Cheapest and probably most effective solution no matter WHAT camera you put in that spot- provide more light. Cameras like it, bad guys hate it.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 3:22 pm 
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It's outside and I have a 500watt halogen above it on a pir sensor. Works great when the light is triggered but I wanna see all the time. Btw, I picked up a control today at the dealer to access the settings. I also spoke to Clinton's tech support and they were very helpful. They seem to lean towards the settings but the camera is under warranty if that does not work out.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 1:07 pm 
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Do you have an adjustable Iris? If so check it. I had a camera that produced a bad picture, someone messed with the iris, now it looks great.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 11:47 pm 
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mikeloew1 wrote:
Do you have an adjustable Iris? If so check it. I had a camera that produced a bad picture, someone messed with the iris, now it looks great.


It's a varifocal. I played with the OSD and couldn't improve the night vision. I'm gonna send it back to see what they say. :-(


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 2:18 am 
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If it is not the problem for operating mistake.you can send back to the dealer to solve this problem.


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