Boogieman

Hello,

 

I'm looking at setting up a cctv system but needed some advice. I am looking at using a Q-see 720p system that has good reviews at costco but the issue I'm concerned about is that I need to run 70 meters of cable for the camera that would be farthest away from the DVR. I'm wondering if theres anything I can do to avoid losing the entire signal over the course of the cabling?

 

Thanks

what type of system? model? is it ip? or hd over coax?

You need a lens with a narrower focus...

Thanks Jerome. The reason I want a PTZ is because there have been a few shootings in the area. Last time is was right on the corner. I figured I could use the PTZ to track and zoom in if another group of people walk in the area. That way I can have the dome cameras for general coverage and a PTZ to focus on a certain area if needed. Also form what I can tell I can program the PTZ to scan a area.

Are you going to sit there and manipulate the ptz? Scanning is useless, now you have random partial shots...useless, and likely cause the failure of the ptz mechanism.

Hi guys,

 

So, I have successfully set up 4 IP cams around the outside of the house and one inside. They are all configured with Blue Iris and all settings in place for certain motion triggers to record at any time any of them pick up motion.

The only one i have decided to send me a notification through text message on motion is the one inside as the ones outside constantly pick up spider webs and big insects at night and a horse in the day in the field next door.

 

So, the troubling question is, when I'm abroad in the US how can i contact the UK emergency services? 999 does not work.

 

I can sit there all day recording people around the house with no immediate action taken.

 

I hope someone can answer this question.

 

Thanks guys,

Rick

Very complex issue....hmmmm, why dont you get the LOCAL number to your police department???

I just took another look at Hikivision and if they are as good as they look I'm sold.

 

I can get 2 PTZ. One for front and one for back.

 

http://www.hikvision.com/us/Products_1_10566_i8498.html

 

Than get four of these for the rest.

 

http://www.hikvision.com/us/Products_1_10531_i7563.html

 

Would that be a good set up for a duplex?

 

Also, Which NVR would you recommend

 

http://www.hikvision.com/us/Products_1_10649_i8726.html

http://www.hikvision.com/us/Products_1_10649_i8725.html

 

Sorry for the rookie questions. I just have so much to do and zero time to do it. I can't tell you how much I appreciate the help.

Its important to buy from a US retailer who sells US region cameras...many sellers sell china region cameras that are in english but will brick if you update firmware. Look at B and H photo.

Hey everyone sorry for being MIA. I had some family issues. I contacted one of the only people I could find that do the security cameras and for $3500 he said he can install 5 bullet cameras, 1 PTZ, an NVR, and a monitor. The problem I have is he said he uses Univision cameras and I can't find any info on them at all.

 

A buddy of mine came over today and helped me drill the holes I need for my cameras and lights. I decided to make it easy on myself and take your advise and drilled on the top of the 1st floor. I have one set of holes for the ethernet cables for POE and a set of holes about 6 inches below that for motion detector flood lights.

 

I priced out a system myself and her is what I came up with:

 

(1) AXIS P5515-E PTZ

http://www.axis.com/rs/en/products/axis-p5515-e

 

(5) Axis 0547-001 M3026-VE

http://www.axis.com/sa/en/products/axis-m3026-ve

 

This is still around the 3500 mark and I think these cameras will be way better. Only thing is I have to install it myself and get an NVR. I can use my computer monitors and living room TV to view the cameras or just get a cheap monitor and mount it in the living room near my couch.

 

So do you guys think I should go with Univision and have it install by the expert or go with Axis cameras and install myself. I will run the Cat6 cables myself either way tomorrow. If I mess up the connectors I can always have that guy come out an fix my mistakes.

way overpriced for a home install...look at hikvision and dahua cameras.

I also kinda have the same problem. I can see my cameras over my cellular, wherever I go. But when I am home and on my wifi' I can not see my cameras. It comes up as an error. I have to turn off wifi and then I am able to see. Any solution to this??

Did you not see the above post? You will need to setup a second device on the app using the local ip and use that when at home. Or get rid of your router/modem combo.

Buy a cheap nvr and use it to display the camera..

What usually do if cameras stopped working specially in diplomatic buildings or in security buildings

they need it to be fix it as soon as they could?

so what usually do?

In my expert opinion you should fix it as soon as you can...

lool ok i will fix you and i will get into you lool

You want to get into me?

What usually do if cameras stopped working specially in diplomatic buildings or in security buildings

they need it to be fix it as soon as they could?

so what usually do?

In my expert opinion you should fix it as soon as you can...

Look at HD systems from costco...lifetime return policy...make sure its at least 720p...not of this 960h 800tvl garbage..

I enjoy a good challenge, worth my money for fun at this point.

There, in this forum, guys who are obsessed with IP cameras, from Hik or Dahua, even though no way to get direct help from them. You do not need to get mad against them. But remeber always these guys do not help you out when you are in trouble.

You do realize that the OP was talking about IP cameras right? Guess your chinese to english translator is not working properly....

You also realize that you can buy BOTH analog cameras and IP cameras from places that provide end user support..right?

One thing we do know is that buying from your company or the random ebay/ali crap you recommend will never come with support.

I enjoy a good challenge, worth my money for fun at this point.

Will be cheaper to have someone run the cable for you...remember that even if it works most of the time, Murphy's law will bite you..

Stick some matt black paper over it with tape just to try it.

 

Your setup doesn't seem overly ambitious to me, I would expect better results than you are getting.

 

yeah, i'm just looking for a rather basic setup with decent view...like i want to be able to see a person walking up the driveway...or coming down the side of the house...at this point i'll be lucky if i see a truck coming up either lol..best case scenario would be...be able to make out license plates or faces clearly

 

btw if none of this works any suggestions on another type of camera system i should get?

 

i was thinking of -

 

https://www.amazon.com/Amcrest-Security-Weatherproof-Cameras-Transmit/dp/B00PMEG8YQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1472869545&sr=8-1&keywords=security+camera+kit#customerReviews

 

not sure if it's good or not but amazon #1 seller o.0 with 1500 reviews and seems legit o.0 idk though.

That is a garbage analog system that will give you terrible images...its 2016, 720p should be the LOWEST resolution considered...look at a 1080p system.

IF you keep trying to "save" money by buying a garbage low end system, you will keep netting the same results..there a many threads discussion good packages out there.

my bad..I make a similar statement to his...

It seems like you guys have no clue...no worriers...eventually a new competent contractor will clean up your mess.

 

Grow up. It's a mistake to pull others down .... In your posts .... Well not posts it's more like reading war and peace but still with a lot of mistakes so your not that perfect.

Dont really need your advice.....this guy came in here trashing proper advice with nonsense. Hes getting what he deserves...if I offend you, you are welcome to ignore my posts.

https://kb.wisc.edu/ns/page.php?id=7829

Oops I mixed up 100 meters with feet. So a little more than 200. Also you don't understand the OSI model. Every camera is a computer. Wifi or not. And as for security, encryption man. It takes a very powerful computer to decrypt 1024 or larger AES.

Its not a little more, its 328...that is more than 200 percent greater than your stated 100 FEET. And when you state a little more than 300 you prove again that you are simply uneducated. Look up meters and learn their size. I never said anything about encryption. I am explaining to your novice mind that a camera streaming 100 percent of the time cannot have packet loss or the image will be corrupt....there simply is no wifi that is as reliable as ethernet. In a large public place, its all more important to have cameras that cannot be jammed with a cell phone app. You are a danger to your customers.

You also misrepresent the cost of cable..."****loads" is not appropriate when you can run a basic house for 100 dollars (a high quality 1000 foot solid copper roll)....

Also you are NOT an engineer. An engineer would not "mix up" feet and meters...and call it a bit more...a meter is more than 3 times a foot.

Please tell me how someone who calls themselves a professional installer doesn't now the proper spec for Ethernet or claims that COPPER wire has a limited life span...I doubt your entire story...

Basically anyone claiming to understand Wifi while making statements like, Computers and phones don't care about packet loss. Or whatever his exact words were, and wifi wouldn't work in a crowded city. Well as I stated above, my laptop and other devices were effected by an interfering channel until I changed the channel. That debunks his statement. The crowded city statement can have truth, but in that case you are mostly securing your apartment from inside, and perhaps your outside your door. The apartment complex should already have security. My relatives live in Cambridge, in a house. A small house, but enough distance where they can select an unused channel, also tuning the antennas dbs to an appropriate level for the distance you need would help too. If you really have an issue you could set up a network on the unlicensed white space, and then connect the radios to the ethernet jack on the camera. Be careful because there are frequencies that if your caught using, the FCC will bust your ass. 900 Mhz is a good frequency that our company uses a lot too, but can get interference from many small devices. But basically, you can find a way to make it work without packet loss, and such. The issues described are from someone that doesn't understand networking and the same issues can occur over copper as-well and will need some decent troubleshooting. Even our technicians had trouble debugging a networking issue over an ethernet that had no obvious issues. The wire seemed fine, but the network was still not working. A camera is the same as any other network device, it can work just as well as a laptop, assuming the hardware is on the up and up. There are plenty of products with **** tier hardware and that goes for wired products as well. Cameras, wireless nics on your laptop or desktop, in your phone. The point is you get what you pay for, and even if the product is fine and your router is fine, you need to know what your doing or you get the issues described. And as I have stated twice, laptops and phones are effected too, its the router that chooses to prioritize those devices, but once a small handful of devices are on it you will still get issues. I had my laptop and phone on, but my friend attached his laptop to the network and suddenly I lost internet, even while having a decent signal. Clearly the packet loss that boogieman claimed didn't effect laptops. I changed the channel to 11, a channel my neighbors weren't using because most comcast techs will use the low channels and my wife was flawless. Also my Cisco router reaches about twice as far as my comcast one. I have two networks and they don't interfere with each other. And when I put my Cisco router in the center of the house, I will cover everything except my back yard, but a sector ap will cover the entire acre just fine, but the camera would need an external sector subscriber module as we call them to point right at the sector since the omni won't reach across the acre. Or I could swap antennas and it would work just fine. My issue there is that I would still need to run power to cameras an acre away. But thats still half the copper that I'd need to use if it was wired, and they can cut it. They can cut my power, but an external battery as a backup would circumvent that, and I doubt they would be expecting that.

You understand that we are talking about cameras here not laptops? You dont seem to have any experience with ip cameras. Yes, laptops and phones can easily accommodate and make up for packet loss..They also are not streaming 100 percent of the time..LEARN...STUDY...WOW A true green novice. I may have given you too much credit..They shouldn't let you carry the screws....wait in the truck.

I did state that we do Surveillance as-well. And basically any IP device goes by the same principals. An IP light switch, thermostat, anything. It works the same. If you have a cheapy camera, you're going to have a bad time. If the antenna has a low Dbi your gonna have a bad time, if your access point is inferior well, your gonna have a bad time. Networking is networking and equipment is equipment. We set up wireless cameras from axis, they work fine. If you know wireless it works fine. An engineer can take the same camera and access point that you had a bad time with, and make it work with little to no effort.

I feel bad for your customers...hopefully you are using the edge storage available on those cameras....It seems like you guys have no clue...no worriers...eventually a new competent contractor will clean up your mess. Every statement you made in your original post proves you are incompetent. Not knowing the basic specs for ethernet range? Come on. You are clueless. Sad really. Hopefully you didnt install wifi cameras at fenway and yacht clubs in Massachusetts ...its now a huge security risk...

Basically anyone claiming to understand Wifi while making statements like, Computers and phones don't care about packet loss. Or whatever his exact words were, and wifi wouldn't work in a crowded city. Well as I stated above, my laptop and other devices were effected by an interfering channel until I changed the channel. That debunks his statement. The crowded city statement can have truth, but in that case you are mostly securing your apartment from inside, and perhaps your outside your door. The apartment complex should already have security. My relatives live in Cambridge, in a house. A small house, but enough distance where they can select an unused channel, also tuning the antennas dbs to an appropriate level for the distance you need would help too. If you really have an issue you could set up a network on the unlicensed white space, and then connect the radios to the ethernet jack on the camera. Be careful because there are frequencies that if your caught using, the FCC will bust your ass. 900 Mhz is a good frequency that our company uses a lot too, but can get interference from many small devices. But basically, you can find a way to make it work without packet loss, and such. The issues described are from someone that doesn't understand networking and the same issues can occur over copper as-well and will need some decent troubleshooting. Even our technicians had trouble debugging a networking issue over an ethernet that had no obvious issues. The wire seemed fine, but the network was still not working. A camera is the same as any other network device, it can work just as well as a laptop, assuming the hardware is on the up and up. There are plenty of products with **** tier hardware and that goes for wired products as well. Cameras, wireless nics on your laptop or desktop, in your phone. The point is you get what you pay for, and even if the product is fine and your router is fine, you need to know what your doing or you get the issues described. And as I have stated twice, laptops and phones are effected too, its the router that chooses to prioritize those devices, but once a small handful of devices are on it you will still get issues. I had my laptop and phone on, but my friend attached his laptop to the network and suddenly I lost internet, even while having a decent signal. Clearly the packet loss that boogieman claimed didn't effect laptops. I changed the channel to 11, a channel my neighbors weren't using because most comcast techs will use the low channels and my wife was flawless. Also my Cisco router reaches about twice as far as my comcast one. I have two networks and they don't interfere with each other. And when I put my Cisco router in the center of the house, I will cover everything except my back yard, but a sector ap will cover the entire acre just fine, but the camera would need an external sector subscriber module as we call them to point right at the sector since the omni won't reach across the acre. Or I could swap antennas and it would work just fine. My issue there is that I would still need to run power to cameras an acre away. But thats still half the copper that I'd need to use if it was wired, and they can cut it. They can cut my power, but an external battery as a backup would circumvent that, and I doubt they would be expecting that.

You understand that we are talking about cameras here not laptops? You dont seem to have any experience with ip cameras. Yes, laptops and phones can easily accommodate and make up for packet loss..They also are not streaming 100 percent of the time..LEARN...STUDY...WOW A true green novice. I may have given you too much credit..They shouldn't let you carry the screws....wait in the truck.

I want to put in my two cents seeing as how I work for the company that installed the wireless network in Fenway park, and as I'm sure you realize they have many factors that can interfere. With wifi, the spectrum is split into channels. Unless you live in a crammed apartment complex with 100's of units, the spectrum isn't going to be eaten up. Even if you do live in such a place, only so many apartments are even in range to interfere. So out of the 11 channels, and you have either 2.4 or 5 Ghz to choose from, you can surely find an unused channel for your access point. You're cheap Comcast router wont' have the software to analyze the signal and determine which channels are free, but our hardware has it built in, and also my cisco router at home. Now you can always just try each channel or download a spectrum analyzer to use on your laptop. The issues you depict sound just like there were two networks colliding. I had that issue with my network and I couldn't even use my laptop properly and when another person got on my wifi our devices fought each other for use. Now after I changed to channel 11; problem solved. Sounds just like the thing you claim doesn't effect computers huh. Another factor is range. My ****** comcast router is in the center of the house, and when I go to either end I get poor signal, my cisco router in my room at one end of the house is accessible all the way on the other end out on my porch. Of course I will move it to the center when I set up my camera system, and I have no concern for a wireless system because unlike you I'm not an idiot. Now if you feel like spending ****loads on cable be my guest, but many large campuses use wireless to transmit between buildings, or even segments of a building, then use wired to go to each room. Saves thousands. I have a pool house and I want to mount cameras there. Instead of spending the cash on 200 feet of cable and a signal amplifier because ethernet is ineffective over more than 100, I will use a sector access point. Like 45 degrees or smaller, since we all know that an omni-directional access point has its restrictions. From there I will have a switch and link my cameras to that. Now I will admit the flaw in wireless is that it can be jammed. But smart enough technology can switch between channels and even frequencies. I'm sure these cameras don't have that. Guess what though, your average Joe burglar doesn't have a signal jammar, or even realize how easy it is to do so. Also, and this applies to all IR sensitive cameras on even the most high end systems. If I have IR LEDS around my head and an IR flashlight, your camera is blind. It uses IR to see in the night, but it picks up the reflected IR. Direct IR will blind it. A dead giveaway if the system is being monitored live, but not for an average home system that is only storing it for later and even for many stores that aren't being constantly monitored. What you shown is that you don't understand wireless and that's why you can't use the technology. Maybe you had someone streaming netflix or playing wow on the same router that you had your camera on. Also just to point out, copper cable has a life span, and is fragile. The camera can be detectable and even accessible, but still drop packets. Everything can test out and seem fine and you can still have an issue. So to make a long story short, you don't know what your talking about.

EVERYTHING you posted here is wrong -you claim its your "two cents" but its not even worth that, it has negative value and lots of it. If you work for a company that installs wifi you need to be fired. Lets touch on some of your mistakes.

1) You are confusing meters with feet. Ethernet is good for 100 METERS. Thats 328 feet. In fact, that is only the spec maximum and folks routinely get more than that. I have never encountered a home where this is an issue.

2) You are confusing a camera that requires a 100 percent stable connection and zero packet loss or the image will be smeared with your wifi that you setup for a smartphone/table..big difference.

3) yes of course cameras can be defeated, all you need is a mask...but the user can still see what is going on and alert authorities. If used with an alarm system or pir motion and even software with decent analytics.

4) Copper cable does not have a "lifespan" it will certainly outlive you and me. Its not fragile unless you are using crap cca cable...Once installed its good for life...That is really the dumbest statement you have made. You know that phone lines power lines in homes use copper cable right? When was the last time you had to replace it?

5) You are confusing point to point line of sight wireless with standard wifi...Rookie..wow..

You are obviously the guy who carries the screws around for the installer....

I would guess these are looking onto wide open spaces. There is very little (IR) light reflected back from the distant scene, and the image is overwhelmed by local reflection of the IR light source at the camera housing. Low cost "Night" cameras with a ring of LEDs around the lens are really only short range units, good for seeing who's at the door. Turn one around to look at something closer and see how it performs.

For serious range you'd want separate IR illuminators. You got what you got now, but you could probably disable/remove the internal LEDs and try out a separate floodlight style unit with one cam.

 

my father said he bought the cam's for like 250? is that considered "low cost"?

 

this is the same unit on amazon that he got

 

https://www.amazon.com/Annke-Wireless-Security-Surveillance-White-Better/dp/B019QCICNE

 

should i return the unit? i don't see the point of purchasing a night vision hd cam...that can't see anything at night.

return the unit...annke posts fake reviews...see fakespot...its garbage.

8 cameras @ 6Mbps each is 48Mbps on a 300Mbps router serving no computers or anything else wireless. I do not understand how my bandwidth is going to fluctuate from day to day, can you elaborate?

 

Sure, if you are in the middle of nowhere with noone else around that uses wifi.

 

Otherwise you might not even have those 48Mbps. Or you might have them today, but not tomorrow.

 

I thought that is what channels are for on a router? This seems like it would be a big issue for personal Wifi networks in the city if this were the case, nobody would ever get steady networks speeds. Everytime I speedtest over Wifi it is the same so I know my Wifi is always a stable speed and I have never had an issue with that. Thanks for your advice.

You dont understand...your phone or pc doesnt care about packet loss...with a camera your image will be crap...you need a 100 percent stable connection 100 percent of the time.it will fail...and when you need it most...a microwave will interfere...it will not work...move on...dont be lazy..run cable...if that is too difficult for you hire someone...wifi is simply NOT an option..my gut tells me you will try anyway..good luck,,

Sure it can be, I have separate NICs for cctv and mobile devices. Separate routers too, no cctv traffic flows over my network that laptops and phones use for Internet.

 

The wifi spectrum is not yours, unless you live in the middle of nowhere with no neighbours. You might have the needed bandwidth today, but not tomorrow.

 

8 cameras @ 6Mbps each is 48Mbps on a 300Mbps router serving no computers or anything else wireless. I do not understand how my bandwidth is going to fluctuate from day to day, can you elaborate?

Keep arguing...you are here for advice...you are being told it wont work because folks who know are telling you...wifi is a terrible choice for cameras..you WILL lose signal and drop frames...dont care what wifi access points you use...but I guess you know better...so why ask?

Hi there,

 

I was browsing around trying to get information on installing poe ip cctv network for my new home. The heated discussion was positive to me. Even though I would call my self an enthusiast in IP networking, the risk didn't occur to me. I find viziers solution to be the best here:

 

So after reading all of this if the user wants to have a safe network he needs to have 2 networks, 1 would be his internet connection and one would be his LAN network only for the NVR (which would not be connected to his internet network).

 

Having the NVR connected to a 4G connection that only serves for inspecting my home when I'm not around (ex. traveling) would be the best solution. Although it would be much better using the already available NAS for extra storage but the NAS is connected to the home network, putting me again at risk.

 

Thank you all

That is the dumbest solution...You know that you can segment your network right? You dont need to cutoff your system from the internet...or you can use vpn...Please dont listen to some of the uneducated posts here....anyone can sign up and post, most have no clue..