What are your thoughts about the cameras i bought?

[eyeinthesky221 0]

New guy here. Not much experience to speak of.

 

Bought a few used cameras at auction.

 

I would like to know your thoughts about them, how much do you estimate their worth, and how I could have done better.

People tend to bid up those CCCTV cameras way up there, which I don't understand sometimes... perplexes me. You get carried away too!

Prices quoted here are with shipping (about 10EUR~15EUR usually).

 

1st camera.

Edimax NC-213E

90EUR

The Supplied lens is manually adjusted.

http://www.edimax.com/edimax/merchandise/merchandise_detail/data/edimax/global/smb_network_cameras_box/nc-213e

Where can I find a lens that will do auto focus and auto iris? How much will it cost?

The manual adjusted lens looks like a big shortcoming with this camera. Who would want this?

How can I see the advantage of this type of camera?

It called a box camera right?

 

2nd camera.

Foscam FI9831P V2

43.5EUR

https://www.amazon.de/BESTSELLER-Foscam-FI9831P-Wireless-Storage-white/dp/B0153RSYM0

Nice camera. Works well.

 

3rd camera.

70EUR

PIXORD PD636E

http://www.dipolnet.com/panorama_ip_camera_pixord_pd636e_2mp_h_264_fish-eye__K1560.htm

Waiting for this one. Still on route.

 

4th camera.

20 EUR

Hitachi VK-S274ER American + Dynamica ADSDU822P

Didn't figure out how to connect this one yet... weird connection.

 

5th camera.

25 EUR (this one is new)

H.View 1.0MP AHD CCTV DVR Surveillance 24 IR LED

En route.

 

6th camera.

26EUR

CCD CAMERA LE-116S

En route.

Unimpressive analog camera. How come a seller like this one sells it for so high?!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/LUPUS-DIGITAL-CCD-CAMERA-LE-116S-LE-116S-EMS-DHL-FedEx-/262148079920

 

I'm basically trying to learn the market so I tried to buy different types of cameras and see what I got.

Did I get a good deal? Did I over payed?

Couldn't I got a better value with a Chinese new camera for roughly the same price?

 

So what say you? Thanks for the input and advice.

[Boogieman 1]

Buy first, ask questions and do research later. Smart.

[eyeinthesky221 0]

Thanks man! I thought so too.

Maybe answers such as yours is why I don't bother.

 

How much research one can do? I read enough. You learn from doing!

These are not hundreds of dollars cameras.... I can afford to make "mistakes".

This is the research... buying them I mean. Education by wallet.

Do you suppose I'll read an entire manual if I don't have it?

 

Expensive cameras, low cost, c-mount, analog, poe, 360, ptz - a lot of things to get myself familiar with.

I just try not to pay too much on them, not too sure I succeeded, as I discover it to be a very competitive market.

 

What will not be necessary later will be auctioned off.

So no or minimal loss, hopefully.

[Boogieman 1]

Thanks man! I thought so too.

Maybe answers such as yours is why I don't bother.

 

How much research one can do? I read enough. You learn from doing!

These are not hundreds of dollars cameras.... I can afford to make "mistakes".

This is the research... buying them I mean. Education by wallet.

Do you suppose I'll read an entire manual if I don't have it?

 

Expensive cameras, low cost, c-mount, analog, poe, 360, ptz - a lot of things to get myself familiar with.

I just try not to pay too much on them, not too sure I succeeded, as I discover it to be a very competitive market.

 

What will not be necessary later will be auctioned off.

So no or minimal loss, hopefully.

No, you did ZERO research if thats what you ended up with. Come on, this is a joke thread.

[eyeinthesky221 0]

Why? What is so bad?

Educate me.

[Boogieman 1]

Why? What is so bad?

Educate me.

Proving my point again. Dont be lazy. READ. Is the search bar on this forum or your google broken?

[eyeinthesky221 0]

Well... I'm glad we established that you are an ass. " title="Applause" />

Go away ass person. Your brand of "help" is not needed anymore.

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[Rg59 0]

Well... I'm glad we established that your are an ass. " title="Applause" />

Go away ass person. Your brand of "help" is not needed anymore.

 

 

a fool and his money...... smile smile

[Securame 0]

You did buy junk. But hey, if you just want to play around, go for it.

 

You will not do anything with an AHD camera if you do not have an AHD recorder to connect it to.

[eyeinthesky221 0]

Such a warm welcoming party.... Glad I sign up.

Still didn't heard one single bit of explenation though....

Nothing but childish retorts and I don't really get the joke.

Am I asking the right people here?

 

You did buy junk. But hey, if you just want to play around, go for it.

Such as? What could I've bought better at the same price point I payed?

Some of these cameras are maybe a bit old but their MSRP was once very high.

 

What is wrong with these cameras for example:

PIXORD PD636E

Edimax NC-213E

Foscam FI9831P V2

 

POE, MP cameras, brand cameras, with a retail value much higher?

Why junk? The people who bid on them didn't think so...

And I'm sure the person who sold it payed much much more.

 

Do I need to pay $300 or more for it not to be classified as "junk"?

How can I differentiate between "junk" and "non-junk" types of cameras? Is it on the label?

Is it possible to buy a used non-junk type preferably at auction?

 

Help me save money down the road if you can. I'm all ears.

 

At the moment I'm looking at Hikvision an Dahua offerings, which seems tempting, if it as they claim...

 

You will not do anything with an AHD camera if you do not have an AHD recorder to connect it to.

I'm just experimenting...

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[tomcctv 187]

Hi. Yes you have paid to much

 

Foscams around 29euo

Fisheye does not work with other software

Hitachi is only a camera module...... For PTZ cameras so won't get that to work

Others are AHD and analog

 

 

If you are looking for a system why have you gone 4 different formats ??

[eyeinthesky221 0]

Where can I buy the foscam for 29EUR? I didn't find such a place. At amazon it is about 100 EUR.

Fisheye does not work with other software

I can't stream the video feed of the fisheye to other software solutions? How can I integrate it with other IP cameras?

 

Hitachi is only a camera module...... For PTZ cameras so won't get that to work

Which means? How do you use it?

I've also the housing for the camera. A connection with 14 pins in 2 rows.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/625599-REG/American_Dynamics_ADSDU822P_SpeedDome_Ultra_8_Dome.html

 

22x optical zoom sounds pretty good to me.

 

If you are looking for a system why have you gone 4 different formats ??

What is the 4th format? I've counted 3.

Fisheye is a lens not a format, no?

 

As I said before, I wanted to test a wide range of cameras, and learn from that, before investing a substantial amount, or choosing a direction.

[tomcctv 187]

Foscam 29 to 60 China eBay ...... Just junk

 

Hitachi ..... You never said you had full PTZ camera so not a odd connection as you say ....power video and data 20 euro I'll bet it does not work

 

Fisheye needs rendering software usually makers own .... There are only a few that works with others .

Same with your IP camera is it onvif ?

[eyeinthesky221 0]

I get quite a good picture from the Foscam, and PTZ works great.

Why are you so negative about it?

It has very positive reviews at Amazon which is why I was led this direction at the first place.

 

I said I have "Hitachi VK-S274ER + American Dynamica ADSDU822P"

VK-S274ER is the camera module and ADSDU822P is the dome housing which I have.

I'm not sure if this is considered only a partial housing, becouse in the pictures there is an additional part which I don't have.

 

Fisheye needs rendering software usually makers own .... There are only a few that works with others .

Is this one of the lucky exceptions? You can't even get a partial view?

Why would someone want to buy it, if it will not be compatible with other brands that they have installed?

Are you not a "fan" of 360 cameras for this reason?

 

Yes, the IP cameras are onvif compliant.

The fisheye maybe not. Not sure.

[tomcctv 187]

No it's not what you said at all ......... We can only reply to what you type

 

4th camera.

20 EUR

Hitachi VK-S274ER American + Dynamica ADSDU822P

Didn't figure out how to connect this one yet... weird connection.

 

So you also have a controller to go with it ?

 

If your happy with your Foscam then build your system with them

 

But again 1.3mp for a 100 euros is way to much ....... Brand name 2mp are cheaper

[eyeinthesky221 0]

I don't understand the contradiction.

I wrote here what I have:

VK-S274ER is the camera module and ADSDU822P is the dome housing which I have.

And, no, I don't have a controller.

Will that be a big problem for me?

 

What about the edimax 3mp box type that I purchased?

What are your thoughts about it.

 

But again 1.3mp for a 100 euros is way to much ....... Brand name 2mp are cheaper

Yes, it does sound expensive. I agree.

But people seems to, for some odd enoguh reason, being alright with this.

If I a look at axis and mobotix you will even find people pay triple and more for lower specs than that.

I even saw analog cameras with TVL resolution from these companies sold at those high prices with fierce bidding. WHY?

So I guess dry specs are not everything.

 

Can you recommend good cameras for me to check out under $150, preferably less than $100.

 

Will any of these will be a good buy? Can I expect good things from them?

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hikvision-DS-2CD3345-I-4MP-EXIR-Turret-IR-IP66-Outdoor-POE-Dome-Network-Camera-/131591813713?hash=item1ea37bba51:g:8S0AAOSwMmBV4ya7

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/1-2-8-IMX291-2-0MP-Dome-IP-Camera-With-POE-1080P-0-0001Lux-Starlight-Low/32549774866.html?spm=2114.01010208.3.57.fwfckf&ws_ab_test=searchweb201556_10,searchweb201602_3_10057_10056_10065_10055_10054_10059_10058_10032_10017_107_10060_10061_10052_414_10062_10053_10050_10051,searchweb201603_7&btsid=84ca7666-84e8-41cf-99a2-fddb3c984619

 

How about a $35 2mp cam?

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/2MP-Full-HD-1080p-PoE-Camera-IP-Security-NOVIF-2-0-SONY-CMOS-IR-Night-Vision/32553616394.html?spm=2114.01010208.3.20.fwfckf&ws_ab_test=searchweb201556_10,searchweb201602_3_10057_10056_10065_10055_10054_10059_10058_10032_10017_107_10060_10061_10052_414_10062_10053_10050_10051,searchweb201603_7&btsid=84ca7666-84e8-41cf-99a2-fddb3c984619

 

There is a sea of models to be frankly honest.

Hard to find your legs and feet.

[tomcctv 187]

I don't understand the contradiction.

And, no, I don't have a controller.

Will that be a big problem for me?

 

Again your the one who posted it is working fine ..... Without a way to control then it's not working fine .

 

 

As far as your links none of them .... Hik is a copy and also has a warning on the ad. Do not update ..... So a cheap China copy

 

 

You have already spent over 300 on junk you can't use and you are still looking at junk

[eyeinthesky221 0]

Again your the one who posted it is working fine

Where did I say that??

I only said I've the dome housing. Correcting you when you said it is just the camera module.

 

As you don't say the definition for "junk" and just keep regurgitating that word, I don't know what do you expect.

Do you have any useful suggestion?

 

Hik is a copy of what?

[tomcctv 187]

Again your the one who posted it is working fine

Where did I say that??

I only said I've the dome housing. Correcting you when you said it is just the camera module.

 

As you don't say the definition for "junk" and just keep regurgitating that word, I don't know what do you expect.

Do you have any useful suggestion?

 

Hik is a copy of what?

 

 

Nice post editing ........ You posted working fine .... Now edited with bhp

 

It's clear you don't know what copy is and very clear you don't understand junk

 

hik is a China copy of hikvision ....... You can't upgrade the software and it will be in Chinese

[eyeinthesky221 0]

I didn't edit anything. You're a bit confused.

Maybe added more information.

 

Isn't Hikvision a Chinese company? A china copy of a Chinese product?

You decide it is a copy only by the recommendation not to upgrade?

Why how much an original costs more?

 

I feel like I'm fighting here...

If you don't feel like helping me what is the point of this conversation?

 

I'm afraid to say, but the attitude here is not good.

[tomcctv 187]

Isn't Hikvision a Chinese company? A china copy of a Chinese product?

You decide it is a copy only by the recommendation not to upgrade?

Why how much an original costs more?

 

All hikvision you can upgrade..... China copy will not run true hik cameras ..... And the warning in the advert multiple times is a clue it is not a true hikvision.

 

But if you think there a good buy then get them

[Securame 0]

So you bought:

 

- A camera IP box with a lens that does not seem to suit you.

- A consumer grade Foscam IP camera

- A fisheye IP camera that probably will only be useful with the manufacturer own software

- An analog zoom module with a PTZ mount that you will not be able to get to work and you have no controller for

- An AHD camera that you will have nowhere to connect to

- Another box analog camera

 

It is like you went to a garage sale, picked up whatever was around, and threw it into a box without even worrying if the products work toguether (or even if they work at all). If you just want some toys to play around or some fake cameras to hang around your home/business, you are ok.

 

If you want to end up with a decent system for home/business, my guess is that luckily you might end up using one or two of all those cameras; but you will probably do better buying all new when you are done playing around with those.

[Boogieman 1]

I didn't edit anything. You're a bit confused.

Maybe added more information.

 

Isn't Hikvision a Chinese company? A china copy of a Chinese product?

You decide it is a copy only by the recommendation not to upgrade?

Why how much an original costs more?

 

I feel like I'm fighting here...

If you don't feel like helping me what is the point of this conversation?

 

I'm afraid to say, but the attitude here is not good.

You dont like the attitude of folks giving you FREE advice? Awwww. Poor baby.....its obvious from your original and subsequent posts that you refuse to do any of your own research or work....hire a professional to install a system for you...it is obvious that you are incompetent.

[eyeinthesky221 0]

- A camera IP box with a lens that does not seem to suit you.

It is a stock simple lens.

You're suppose to buy your own lens later on.

 

I've a bit of an issue with this one.

When I over expose the lens to outdoors light, I get spots in the image.

Do you think you could tell what is causing this, if I provide a picture?

Maybe I need to do a through cleaning.

 

A fisheye IP camera that probably will only be useful with the manufacturer own software

That is the one useful tidbit of information that I've learned here so far, and it will unfortunate if it is indeed the case, but it is hard to foresee that in advance if your not familiar with the technology.

 

- An analog zoom module with a PTZ mount that you will not be able to get to work and you have no controller for

I don't need the ptz at the moment.

I only want to get picture, so do I still need a controller?

How do I do that?

Didn't read the instruction manual yet but they seems pretty complex, and I don't have all the parts.

 

- An AHD camera that you will have nowhere to connect to

What will be the minimum equipment that i need to make it work? Is it like analog?

Is there a pc card?

 

- Another box analog camera

I mostly bought this one for the lens to tell you the truth, as it has auto iris.

Figured I might be able to use it with the other box camera that I have, if it turns out to be compatible, and it might be cheaper than buying the lens alone.

 

It is like you went to a garage sale, picked up whatever was around, and threw it into a box without even worrying if the products work toguether (or even if they work at all). If you just want some toys to play around or some fake cameras to hang around your home/business, you are ok.

 

If you want to end up with a decent system for home/business, my guess is that luckily you might end up using one or two of all those cameras; but you will probably do better buying all new when you are done playing around with those

 

I don't know why the people here keep trying to look at this as a system and not as individual cameras.

My intention is to maybe work someday as an installer, so it is a good start as I need to know how to handle all those systems anyway.

 

And, yes, auctions are a bit like garage sale. You bid on what is on offer.

 

I also bought an HP ProCurve J9086A for about 35EUR and a bunch of hidden cams.

It can provide 15W per channel with 12 POE ports from a quick overview I read.

 

You dont like the attitude of folks giving you FREE advice? Awwww. Poor baby....

Yes, READ, we heard your advice.

That is some top level **** right there. Groundbreaking.

You only required 10 posts for it and keep counting...

Someone must be paying you TOP DOLLAR as a consultant for such revolutionaries ideas, right?

Really getting is money worth....

 

it is obvious that you are incompetent.

That is not what your mother told me my impetuous love child.

[Securame 0]

- A camera IP box with a lens that does not seem to suit you.

It is a stock simple lens.

You're suppose to buy your own lens later on.

 

I've a bit of an issue with this one.

When I over expose the lens to outdoors light, I get spots in the image.

Do you think you could tell what is causing this, if I provide a picture?

Maybe I need to do a through cleaning.

 

That is an indoor camera.

 

- An analog zoom module with a PTZ mount that you will not be able to get to work and you have no controller for

I don't need the ptz at the moment.

I only want to get picture, so do I still need a controller?

How do I do that?

Didn't read the instruction manual yet but they seems pretty complex, and I don't have all the parts.

 

If you only need video, just power the camera, and connect the video output wherever you want.

 

- An AHD camera that you will have nowhere to connect to

What will be the minimum equipment that i need to make it work? Is it like analog?

Is there a pc card?

 

You will need a AHD capable DVR. You will not find any PC cards.

 

- Another box analog camera

I mostly bought this one for the lens to tell you the truth, as it has auto iris.

Figured I might be able to use it with the other box camera that I have, if it turns out to be compatible, and it might be cheaper than buying the lens alone.

 

An analog standard resolution lens on a 3MP camera. Great idea!

No, just kidding. That idea is as good as buying a Ferrari with a broken motor, and then buying an old Fiat so you can reuse the motor to fix the Ferrari.

 

I don't know why the people here keep trying to look at this as a system and not as individual cameras.

My intention is to maybe work someday as an installer, so it is a good start as I need to know how to handle all those systems anyway.

 

Those 6 cameras are nowhere close to being a "system". They are hardly individual cameras, since it is mostly outdated junk to toy around with.