Poe system questions

[1animal1 0]

Hi, thanks for allowing me to join your forum.

I am looking at installing a Hikvision (or similar) Poe system to my new build. I have a full cat6 network with one of the Lan outlets in the airing cupboard to hook up the smart element of my alarm system, all working from an unmanaged switch at the router, supplying 10 outlets.

My question is, can I fit an additional poe switch to expand the amount of ethernets off the one socket in the airing cupboard, also powering the cameras at the same time. 

If possible, can I then site the NVR elsewhere on the same Lan. 

 

Thanks in advance for any help.

 

Tim

 

[tomcctv 187]

Hi. Yes you can but could limit you if the recorder is not at same location 

 

hikvision would not be my choice there is much better out there

your airing cupboard sounds like the ideal place to place your nvr and also will limit your costs as most nvrs are Poe ….. so would only need the lan for router connection ….. you could also run cat6 to main to for viewing and control

[1animal1 0]

17 hours ago, tomcctv said:

Hi. Yes you can but could limit you if the recorder is not at same location 

 

hikvision would not be my choice there is much better out there

your airing cupboard sounds like the ideal place to place your nvr and also will limit your costs as most nvrs are Poe ….. so would only need the lan for router connection ….. you could also run cat6 to main to for viewing and control

Thanks for your reply Tom

I didn't know if the heat in the airing cupboard would kill the NVR long term. I do still need to connect my alarm which is in the same location, so may need to still have a switch in place...

 

Are you saying that if I do mount the NVR in the airing cupboard, then I can place a monitor remotely on the network? As well as accessing via the mobile.... 

 

And finally, which cameras would you recommend? I've been looking at the Hikvision 2387's, but they certainly ramp the cost up! I'm currently chasing 4k which I'm unsure I need, but with future proofing in mind... Note, the property doesn't have any Street lights, if this is a factor .. my neighbour is running Hikvision with lights permanently on, which I assume is a prerequisite for colour night vision.

Guessing cat5 or 6 to each camera will suffice for the higher definition cams?

 

Thanks, Tim

[tomcctv 187]

12 hours ago, 1animal1 said:

I didn't know if the heat in the airing cupboard would kill the NVR long term. I do still need to connect my alarm which is in the same location, so may need to still have a switch in place...

Hi running data over your home network can slow your network down and 4K will

4k nvr POE will not …. As far as networking nvr or alarm  …. Use existing lan for nvr and use a tp-link network plugs for alarm (lan over existing house electrics) much cheaper than using switches

12 hours ago, 1animal1 said:

Are you saying that if I do mount the NVR in the airing cupboard, then I can place a monitor remotely on the network? As well as accessing via the mobile.... 

Not over your network but you can run a cat6 from nvr to main tv and use hdmi adapter for video and mouse control 

12 hours ago, 1animal1 said:

I've been looking at the Hikvision 2387's, but they certainly ramp the cost up

Hikvision is only well known because mass sold by everyone and also China copies… there software is old and they also did a firmware update 8 days ago to incorporate Ai which hik store …… 

but I already see a problem ….. the camera you list is not a hikvision part number so your buying from unauthorised dealer 

 

it depends on your budget and where your based

[1animal1 0]

Thanks again Tom

So what we're talking about is using the NVR and plugging all cameras into that. The line into the Lan therefore is purely for router connection for mobile app access? Hence why it doesn't use much bandwidth. Am I on the right track?

So the cat6 for the monitor can carry the video and mouse function on one cable?

That's a part Hikvision code from their latest cameras. HIKVISION 8MP COLORVU ACUSENSE 2.8MM LENS TURRET CAMERA WITH BUILT IN MIC DS-2CD2387G2-LU . I'm based in the UK and open to looking at anything really.

Thanks, Tim

[tomcctv 187]

Hi with the part number ….. that is a very expensive fixed lens 4k camera trade prices between £140 and £190….. that is just not worth it. The cost reflects its Ai ability which is pointless for home use….. and also not for commercial….. in uk it can’t be installed in public systems or government locations 

take a look at TVT much better than hik also one of the best system app that gives you full control over your system remotely 

 

also do you need 4K in all your locations …. Same with audio ….. as both will eat your storage up if 4K and audio on every channel 

how many cameras are you looking at installing 

4 hours ago, 1animal1 said:

So what we're talking about is using the NVR and plugging all cameras into that. The line into the Lan therefore is purely for router connection for mobile app access? Hence why it doesn't use much bandwidth. Am I on the right track?

Yes your absolutely right lan connection for router connect for remote viewing or logging in with a pc local 

 

I am also in the uk 

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19 hours ago, tomcctv said:

Hi with the part number ….. that is a very expensive fixed lens 4k camera trade prices between £140 and £190….. that is just not worth it. The cost reflects its Ai ability which is pointless for home use….. and also not for commercial….. in uk it can’t be installed in public systems or government locations 

take a look at TVT much better than hik also one of the best system app that gives you full control over your system remotely 

 

also do you need 4K in all your locations …. Same with audio ….. as both will eat your storage up if 4K and audio on every channel 

how many cameras are you looking at installing 

Yes your absolutely right lan connection for router connect for remote viewing or logging in with a pc local 

 

I am also in the uk 

I was aiming more for colour night vision - 4k seems to be the standard for that? Two things in my mind, future proofing and making sure I get the best possible night vision, as this is most likely the time when I need the detail. I can't see a TVT cam with colour night vision.. and the UK suppliers seem very thin on the ground. Do you know if they offer the colour NV? 

It'll only be 4 cameras. One on the front of the property covering the dark private road which has no Street lamps, down the side of the house covering the cars and garage, rear of the property and maybe another on the far end of the garage looking outward. The front door is covered with a ring pro 2, so not needed there... 

 

[tomcctv 187]

43 minutes ago, 1animal1 said:

I was aiming more for colour night vision - 4k seems to be the standard for that?

Hi any resolution 2-3-6-8mp can be colour but the more resolution the less effective it is. 
hikvision have there own data stream H265+ for the iP cameras and once at 6 or 8mp they recommend switching to h265 or h264 ….. h265 is standard in the industry h265+ is hikvision down …. Yet there own cameras proform badly 

 

yes you want colour at night ….. no camera will do this for you  all cameras like starlight and colour view need a light source 

the one you have listed has white light built in and must be on all the time at night  which gives your camera location away from the start.

if you have seen the uk videos you will notice in one of them ….. light is always on at the back of the camera (shadows of trees in pictures) which are behind the camera so the video is very misleading they don’t work in complete darkness 

[1animal1 0]

15 hours ago, tomcctv said:

Hi any resolution 2-3-6-8mp can be colour but the more resolution the less effective it is. 
hikvision have there own data stream H265+ for the iP cameras and once at 6 or 8mp they recommend switching to h265 or h264 ….. h265 is standard in the industry h265+ is hikvision down …. Yet there own cameras proform badly 

 

yes you want colour at night ….. no camera will do this for you  all cameras like starlight and colour view need a light source 

the one you have listed has white light built in and must be on all the time at night  which gives your camera location away from the start.

if you have seen the uk videos you will notice in one of them ….. light is always on at the back of the camera (shadows of trees in pictures) which are behind the camera so the video is very misleading they don’t work in complete darkness 

My research last night led me to that conclusion, that you need a light on permanently at night. I was looking at the Reolink bullet camera which comes in at £72, doesn't look as good as dome but they seem to do the trick. Sounds like I need that permanent light given the lack of lighting I have here. 

The camera being visible isn't really an issue. It's going to be visible regardless and my neighbour already has those top Hikvisions fitted so prompt anyone to look at mine. They'll be fitted at a reasonable height anyway... The build is a pretty straight forward rectangular building with no trees. The only hiding place currently will be the cars .. which is why l was thinking of one pointing back down the side of the house and one on the garage pointing out.