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  1. Posted

    is that a problem with milestone or the camera itself? Is the picture quality much of a difference on the 4200 between mjpeg and mpeg4?

     

    With Milestones latest devicepack and latest firmware it works, but thats it.

    The image quality doesn't make your hair stand up.

     

    It all depends on how you are planning to use the cams.

    Desired framerate? (Axis is better on that)

    Light? (Axis is better on that too)

    Image quality? (Yep, Axis again)

    Price? ( This one for Acti)

    Support? (Axis!!)

  2. Posted

    I was more looking for those who have used them and if they can say whether they work reliably long-term and don't frequently crash/freeze/go bad etc.

     

    I have a couple of Acti 4200 on two sites. Works fine, no craches or freeze for 6 months. Be sure to use the latest firmware though. I had big problems with standard firmware and Milestone.

    Milestone only support Mpeg4 for 4200, so Axis 207 with Mjpeg gives a lot better image. Colors are very intense on 4200 and it's a pain to adjust things thru the web interface.

    Axis 207Mw is a bit more expensive but a lot better camera.

  4. Posted

     

    The IP cam will not be shown under TV-out feature when integrating with GV Combo cards...Release a patch? I havn't heard any info regarding to this....

     

    I got the info from your colleague Edwin when I met him in Sweden.

    We were talking NVR, so the extra soft might only be for the pure NVR soft?

  6. Posted

    Now we are taking the same language!

    I agree to every word. Well written!

     

    The thing that bugs me is that MS doesn't leave a choise this time.

    It's Vista or bust, because XP is going out of sales.

    It would be possible to strip Vista down to the bones to make it more

    DVR/NVR friendly, but that is going to cost me time witch I don't have.

    (Same problem with Embedded really)

    Xp pro is nice that way, just install and ship.

     

    I got exactly the same price on XP pro and Vista pro as OEM.

    So the pricing doesn't bother me at all.

     

    Nope no support for Linux with Geo....yet....(Closing eyes and wishing)

  7. Posted

    Many SDKs are considered "Confidential" from the manufacturers, which would explain a major lack of open source in that regard (well at least for DVRs, not sure about IP cameras though you typically cant just download an API/SDK from most of them)

     

    The SDK I can understand that they want for them selfs, but the API is

    a bit strange. I guess that the major NVR soft companies don't even

    have to ask for the API

    Perhaps the API is reveals to much for the competitors

  8. Posted

    The standard for transporting the video over IP is fairly standardized,

    MJPEG and MPEG is the only ones I know about. A standardized OS for the

    IP cams would be a disaster. That would be an end to inovative new stuff from the camera manufacurers.

     

    MJPEG and MPEG are video compression formats, they specify how video is to be encoded into binary form they do not however specify how those bytes go over IP in any way. Which port? What application layer protocol http,rtp,raw udp? See the issue, NTSC pretty much guarantees a working connection over a cable to a recording/viewing device, IP cams have no end to end standard every manufacturer is different but seems to be moving toward H.264 over IP using RTP(maybe).

     

    Look at HDTV at least they standardized on ATSC which is MPEG2 encoded over radio using 8PSK modulation, and a cable standard(cablecard) which is mpeg2 over coax using QAM modulation.

     

    So I agree with CollinR CCTV needs a full layer 5 standard and it should include compression formats and PTZ as well, look at the PTZ inconsistenices with analog now since NTSC has no concept of PTZ control built in.

     

    Justin

    I disagree on that the application layer should be standardized. Some application layer are good for different situations. For example the FTP protocol can be extreamly good to have on stand alone projects without access to internet and a cheap FTP server. I can't see the problem with a camera that supports some of the application protocols and another one supporting some others.

    The NVR soft should be capabe of handling them all.

     

    On standardized ports, I really don't know. Havn't seen any problem with it yet though.

     

    On PTZ, I do agree. The only problem that is a bit scary is when a manufacturer comes up with a brilliant idea that doesn't fit into the standard.

     

    I think that the camera manufacturer that have a good product that customers are ready to buy will have the cameras implemented in the major NVR softs like Milestone and so on, regardless of ports, application layer and even compression. So if it works in Milestone, Mirasys or Geovision, I don't really care witch layer they are using.

  9. Posted

    Open software is open source.

     

    Can't say I agree with you there. A software could be open to a number of things and it's still not open source.

    It's just a marking of words of course.

    I would be excited if there would be a open source NVR soft that would be

    stable and good looking enough to sell, but I think we will wait for that for a long time.

     

    It's much better for all involved if a new standard were developed for IP cameras much like NTSC and PAL for analog cameras. Just a bare minimum required to be called an IP based surviellence camera.

    The standard for transporting the video over IP is fairly standardized,

    MJPEG and MPEG is the only ones I know about. A standardized OS for the

    IP cams would be a disaster. That would be an end to inovative new stuff from the camera manufacurers.

  13. Posted

    You know the same thing happened when XP first came out. I am not one to stand behind Microsoft and I don't think my MCSE Cert can be taken away for that but i will say that every time a new operating system comes out there is always a large group that do not want to change or do not even want to give it a try because of what they have heard or a first release right out of the box experiance.

    Matt

     

    I have built Pcs since Dos 3.0 so I have experienced every OS

    change since then. I have been in the fronline for all these OS and tested

    them before my customer asked for them. Sure, I' older now, but I'm

    hoping that I'm not a grumpy old man afraid of changes yet

     

    The thing with Vista is that it eats resources, is very unfriendly to

    third part software and as Rory said, slower than Xp.

     

    Customers with little computer experience have a big deal of trouble of

    handling Vista. I had customers turning down my laptops because I can't

    get laptops with XP any more.

     

    Nah, I think I'll give embedded a second chance. The prices shown in this

    thread is much lower then I remember. If I can get those prices in Sweden

    the problem is solved.

  14. Posted

    What is expensive $$$

     

    How do you mean?

    What stuff is expensive or how much is expensive?

    The stuff that is expensive is the embedded compilation pack.

    How much is it then? I can't remember the exact sum.

    I spoke to Microsoft last year about it and remember that

    I have to sell a lot of PCs to break even.

    The other disadvantage was that my PCs are tailored for the customer,

    so I would have to make one compilation every time I build a new one.

  17. Posted

    A supplier (Pc stuff) told me that Microsoft is stopping the sale of XP in late June.

    Anybody that can confirm this?

    In that case the only current solution is to run Geo, or any other Nvr soft

    for that matter, on Vista

    Never trusted Vista to be stable enough to run a surveillance system on.

    There aren't that many Linux based systems on the market right now,

    so it doesn't look to good.

  20. Posted

     

    So...you are saying that Axis cameras work with version 8.2?

     

    I was under the impression that only the Geo MP camera and video server (VS2) would work with 8.2, and that third-party cameras would only work with Geo NVR software (with dongle).

     

    yep, thats right. You need a dongle to run third party cams.

  21. Posted

    In case anyone missed it (I did)

    The hybrid system only supports 8 IP cams.

    It is therefore not possible to have for example 14 IP cams and 2 analoge

    cams.

     

    Are you sure ? I have this dongle part list from Geovision:

     

    55-NG004-000 GV-NVR (GV) 4

    55-NG008-000 GV-NVR (GV) 8

    55-NG012-000 GV-NVR (GV) 12

    55-NG016-000 GV-NVR (GV) 16

     

    55-NR001-000 GV-NVR 1

    55-NR002-000 GV-NVR 2

    55-NR004-000 GV-NVR 4

    55-NR006-000 GV-NVR 6

    55-NR008-000 GV-NVR 8

    55-NR010-000 GV-NVR 10

    55-NR012-000 GV-NVR 12

    55-NR016-000 GV-NVR 16

     

     

    Yep, I'm sure. You can setup a 16 cam full IP system but when setting

    up a hybrid, 8 IP cams are maximum. Checked with Geo.

    It sucks.

  22. Posted

    Orion,

     

    Did you get any further feedback from Geo?

     

    I've been left with several geo cards that I wont install due to the quality issues.

     

    Perhaps Andy from Geo can give us a list of cameras that will give good or even acceptable image quality on a GV650 so I can move my bunch on.

     

    Thanks for the feedback anyway!

     

    Haven't got any solution from Geo yet. Got some suggestions how to set

    the dip switches on the Ernietec cam, but I've allready tested that long ago

    without any improvement.

    I've given up. The remaining cards that I have will be installed with

    Sonys 453 and LGs minidome witch works out fine with 600 cards.

    When these are gone I woun't buy any 600-650-800 card no more.

    This is the kick in the butt I needed to go for IP cams only.

  25. Posted

    Just an update on the 30 sec clip problem I saw:

     

    Found something on the 30 sec clip problem. I was running the 207MW wireless and the reception was not good enough.

    Once an hour the connection to the camera was lost and when the connection was recovered, the 30 sec clips started to record. I stopped and started recording and no more 30 sec clips. When the connection was lost it started again.

    I then tried the camera wired ond the problem was gone.

     

    Guess that reception on Wlan is critical with Geo

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