Garry

Garry,

 

Good to hear! As for equipment, you might initially hook up with a distributor so you have access to various manufacturers of equipment. This will also allow you to "demo" some equipment as well to trial yourself.

 

Try to stick with the name brands, Panasonic, Bosch, CBC, Pelco, Extreme, etc...

 

What market are you targeting in security?

In fact, we have hooked up with some of the local distributors and some from Korea, Taiwan and even China. But some of their products are not up to satisfactory adn the prices are also pretty steep. So trying to see if there're and good recommendations on reliable and value for money suppliers from you guys here. CBC and Extreme sounds new to me, maybe I will check that out.

Thanks bro.

What is your background and why are you wanting to get into security? Its not just fun, its providing solutions for clients and spending thier money wisely. I see it too often when a potential client does business with somebody they shouldn't, they are not only compromising thier investment but also thier safety.

 

Not saying you won't provide for your clients, but just wondering where you are coming from.

Oh no worries. Been in something related for the past 6 years. I was in the government sector dealing in security. Now helping a friend in his newly startup security business.

So hope to get assistance from you guys to introduce to me some good recommendations that you have. Hope i would be able to get some good recommendations here.

Thanks.

Hi guys, my friend and I are intending to start out in this industry. Jsut wondering if anyone can give any opinions on the DVRs, regardless whether it's PC Based or Standalone ones to get and do you have any suppliers to recommend? I am looking for good quality cctv cameras suppliers too. Do recommend me value for money brands, good, raliable yet cost savings haha. Just for your information, I'm located in Singapore.

Thanks in advance.

 

This unit is from Gunnebo Omega and have seen this at trade shows.

 

http://www.gunnebo-omega.com/autosec.asp

 

There are many companies which can fabricate full height revolving security doors which will meet your needs.

 

Hope you have a ton of cash!

Thank man...I guess it will cost a bomb for it...

Guys, I need your help. I require a system whereby only one person can gain access into the room at a time. It should come with something like a semi circle glass door and only one person can enter at a time. Does anyone of you know of this kind of system? So far I have only seen it in movies. Please assist me on this and it would be good if you could tell me who I am able to get it from.

Thank you.

Stand Alones can be even less power, such as the GE's, but some will be the same and use PC power supplies also.

Thanks bro for the info.

http://www.apc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=BE650R

Thanks for the link. Does it apply to standalone DVRs also or juz to PC based system? Just wondering whether both has the same power consumption..

Thanks bro for the information. I have checked with UPS but it seems quite costly to get a UPS. The price of the UPS I was quoted for is almost as expensive as the system itself...

Any bros here can give any info on the size of a UPS capable to power 4 cameras and a standalone DVR? Would the UPS be very costly? Is there any difference for the size of the UPS on a PC based DVR and on a standaline DVR?

Thank you guys.

Thanks man... So i guess not any Tom, Dick & Harry can get the connectors installed on cable.

 

I agree..........unless your installing you really don't want to spend 700 on a meter just to check the signal. connect and "see" how it goes from there.

 

tipped means, connectors installed on cable.

 

It requires some experience, whether using Twist Ons or Crimps, but its really not that difficult. But if the connector isnt on properly then you will experience issues.

Wow, another lesson learnt...will take note of the connectors when installing. Thanks man

Thanks man... So i guess not any Tom, Dick & Harry can get the connectors installed on cable.

I agree..........unless your installing you really don't want to spend 700 on a meter just to check the signal. connect and "see" how it goes from there.

 

tipped means, connectors installed on cable.

Oic...thank you very much.

Once the cable is run correctly and the cameras are connected and working properly, you can generally just plug and play. Just remember that The proper Power Cable and Power Supplies is also as important as anything else.

 

Otherwise look for CCTV Video Meters, and if you really have a pocket to burn, check out the FM systems Camera Master.

 

Ive never had to use either myself.

Anyone knows where I can get a meter for testing signal strength and freq. from? Is it a must to test for the signal and freq...or can I just plug and play...

testing = cable passes signal (video, dat, ect.) to a standard. Some use a meter to test for signal strength and freq. response.

commissioning = ??? never hear that word..., connect and place into "service".

 

if they have not "tipped" the ends yet the connecting of them is not that easy. if tipped, yes, connecting them is not that hard....BUT, has the power been cabled also? connecting up the power can be a bit harder, but not impossible. if 24 ACvolts just connect one wire to each lead. If 12vdc, you need to make sure you apply the + voltage to the proper lead on the camera...............or no joy.

 

but I have to ask. if you purchased a "system", was the seller leaving out "the fine print" on the contract? to sell a installed system and not connect it is a bit sloppy and greedy......or did you contract a cable install only?

Hey thanks man. THis is such a wonderful forum with wonderful people around.

Commissioning occurs after you've wired, tested components, programmed, burned-in the system, and once happy (aren't we all!) make the system operational and advise the client.

 

Yah, if the wire contractor just lays the cable, he won't wire up your gear...let alone install connectors. If he's capable, ask him to install the components you are not familiar with....case of beer can usually work!....two if it's a hot day! Canadian beer is the best! LOL

 

It's the cost of doing business....hire someone to install the equipment perhaps get a recommendation from the place you bought the equipment (if you haven't done this already).

 

You need to think long term.....what happens when I have a problem with the system?

 

We are here if you have any further inquiries.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Cheers.....Rapid

Hi thanks for enlightening . Ermm but what do you mean by tipped? I really know nuts about this. Basically I just tried getting a separate system on my own and now I'm trying to find someone to install it up for me... but the cost is rather expensive.

For the 'power' part, to be frank, I'm totally lost.

Thank you

testing = cable passes signal (video, dat, ect.) to a standard. Some use a meter to test for signal strength and freq. response.

commissioning = ??? never hear that word..., connect and place into "service".

 

if they have not "tipped" the ends yet the connecting of them is not that easy. if tipped, yes, connecting them is not that hard....BUT, has the power been cabled also? connecting up the power can be a bit harder, but not impossible. if 24 ACvolts just connect one wire to each lead. If 12vdc, you need to make sure you apply the + voltage to the proper lead on the camera...............or no joy.

 

but I have to ask. if you purchased a "system", was the seller leaving out "the fine print" on the contract? to sell a installed system and not connect it is a bit sloppy and greedy......or did you contract a cable install only?

I've decided to leave it to the contractors to lay the cables for the CCTVs and DVR for me. I was informed by them that their part is only to do the laying of wires and that's about it. It does not include testing & commissioning. What do they mean by testing and commissioning? Pardon my ignorance.

So does laying wire also include plugging up the CCTVs to the DVR and power supply? If not, is it a simple task to be done on my own?

Thank you.

Oic Thanks man. So it means those that i saw might be fake...

If its a Card, and its Kodicom or Geo, it should not be embedded.

 

Kodicom and Geo are brands. There are pirated copies of them that dont match up to the real ones, which also use cracked versions of their older software. But we cant discuss those here

Ermm I think some of it has no brand. I think the brand is Kodicom, there is also one for Geovision.

What is the name of the DVR card are you looking at?

 

One specific brand has the OS on chip, embedded, on the card, but that is rare. Another gives you the actual embedded board (not card) and you can place that inside any PC Case. Rare once again.

 

Perhaps they are just selling you the Windows OS also?

Or is it just already installed in a PC and setup for you?

Thanks Rory, but the DVR cards states that it comes along with an OS for Windows 2000/XP so meaning it's embedded with OS right?

A stand alone is an all in one DVR and Multiplexer.

 

Typically, though not always, a Stand alone has push buttons or an IR Remote, and no Mouse or Keyboard.

 

They typically have an Embedded Operating System (on CHIP not on the HDD) and are generally non Windows. Most are Embedded Linux and some more expensive ones use an Embedded RTOS (Real Time Operating System).

 

Embedded Windows XP models are also available but are not as common due to price. The main advantage to the Windows XP embedded units is you can obtain speeds and features which can not be duplicated in other embedded DVRs. The disadvantage is similar to a normal Windows PC Card system, where it is vulnarable to Viruses and Worms; though if set up properly, the chance of this lowers considerably.

 

A PC Card is simply that, you use a Desktop PC with either Windows or less common, Linux, installed, and put the Card inside it. You must then install the DVR server software, burn it all for a period of time to ensure sure there are no Hardware conflicts and the software is installed properly, and you have a DVR.

 

As for price difference, that depends on the DVR card, some are cheap and some are high quality. The main difference in price is the actual software that comes with the DVR card also, that it is stable and has alot of features, brings the price right up.

 

Same with the Standalones, there are very cheap ones that have very few features, then there are much more expensive ones loaded with features.

 

As with some of the very cheap PC Cards, cheap Standalones can encounter problems also, causes ranging from bad hardware to poorly written software, which can cause system freezes among many other issues.

 

Rory

Hi guys, may I know what's the difference between DVR cards and standalone DVRs? Why is there such a big price difference between the two? The DVR cards seemed to be so much cheaper than the standalone DVR?

Thanks guys.

Hmmm I'm starting to have second thoughts... ANyway thanks man for the advice.

Sorry looked like their Mobile unit ..

 

anyway, you would be better off with their Mpeg4 unit if you really want an Everfocus .. though if you look at the posts here on the EDSRs you will see they arent the best choice .. we used the 16 channel EDSRs and every single unit we had from a couple different distributors, would lock up the DVR when connected to it over the LAN ..

 

There are much better choices for the cost.

Pardon me but I don't really get what mobile app. means? I'm actually looking for a DVR to install in my retail outlet with 4 cameras, therefore I'm getting the everfocus one...

no prob, is this for a mobile app?

 

If not i would look at the Nubix, Sanyo, GE, in that order .. first .

 

Rory

Thanks for the info

Wow it sounds pretty little...4 - 7 dys only...hmmm thanks.

Not a fan of neverfocus, but if it doesnt have motion record you will probably get approx 4-7 days recording with MJpeg and 80GB..

 

Look at the posts in this search. re: neverfocus:

http://www.cctvforum.com/search.php?mode=results

Enter: everfocus

User: rory

 

Just being realistic, motion will get you alot more, could range up to 1 month with motion. Non stop record (continuous, time lapse) and highest resolution will eat the space up quick.

 

Like kand said, recording speed and quality settings will also be a major factor.

 

The Actual model/brand of DVR used makes the difference also.

 

Rory

Wow it sounds pretty little...4 - 7 dys only...hmmm thanks.

Not a fan of neverfocus, but if it doesnt have motion record you will probably get approx 4-7 days recording with MJpeg and 80GB..

 

Look at the posts in this search. re: neverfocus:

http://www.cctvforum.com/search.php?mode=results

Enter: everfocus

User: rory

Thanks man. So meaning for 4 cameras and medium setting, it should be able to last me about 10 days of recording right? So how about the DVR itself, any comments on it? Is it suitable for small retail outlet usage? Thanks

Probably 10 days if set to medium settings. It all depends on your settings. Image Quality, Motion detection, and FPS settings will all change the amount of recording time. Similar 4 channel units I've used utilizing MJPEG usually get me around 12-15 days with a 160GB.