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  1. Posted

    Christ what an friggin industry...

     

    OK

     

    It's great you found decent cameras my friend but please don't PR line me and then try to sell me bloody cameras...

     

    (I'm needling ya OK!)

     

    I'm curious what's so special about the "environment" those 8-10 cameras are in that's causing issues...

     

    Freezer rooms in a meat packing plant or grocery store freezer room or.. uhh smelter room or WHAT !?!

     

     

    So I take it you're having PoE powering issues with the cameras?

     

    Please share segment length and type/brand of cat cable that lead to these issues and the PSE (injectors or PoE switch) used.

     

    I take it then it's a PoE design issue at the camera SBC. VRM issues etc I assume...

     

    At what segment/IFL length does the issue become apparent?

     

    The PD in the camera... is it "Alternative A" or "Alternative B" design?

     

    I have seen issues where the PSE detects the WRONG CLASS for the PD and then doesn't send enough current or the PD reports to PSE the wrong class... again same resulting problem/issue.

     

    I betcha the PD IE the camera is reporting the wrong class to the PSE and then not enough current is being sent. It must have some logic in the firmware also about the fan/blower as it can't operate with IR going.

     

    During the PoE "handshake" the Zavio PD should be reporting to the PSE that it's class 2/3 and IMHO it should report class 3 considering the cazy high power IR LEDs on the thing.

     

    I will suggest again that Planet brand PoE switch that's "high power". I sure hope you're not trying to use midspand PoE PD/PSE switch on a 600 foot two segment run or something SILLY...

     

    I have seen that one many times... I don't get WTF they would think you'd have enough current after a 100m run into the PD powered PoE switch and then run another 100m...

     

    Don't these IDIOTS understanding BASIC ELECTRICAL CONCEPTS!

     

    http://www.planet.com.tw/en/product/product_ov.php?id=43178

     

    PS if I ran those cameras I'd run two segments one for PoE/net and one for PoE with a 5/9/12V splitter also feeding 12v at the SAME TIME... If you read the manual you'd realize this is needed if you want the fan/blower to go whilst the IR is going for the B7210.

  2. Posted

    I also should point out that the AVtech "Push Video" feature with Eagle Eyes is also available on some Zavio cameras. Even the iOS app/UI looks almost identical to "EagleEyes" and has the "push video" feature on/off in UI the SAME.

     

    It's interesting that Zavio doesn't really market this ability like AVtech does.

     

    It's bloody obvious that Zavio and Icybox are the same ODM but it looks like that Zavio is a newer "revision" or SBC internals etc.

  3. Posted

    I'm always trying to find decent cameras at a REASONABLE PRICE...

     

    I thought that Zavio B7210 fit the bill but it seems this is not the case.

     

    Have you guys seen these cameras from AirLive?

     

    http://www.airlive.com/product/category/Network-Surveillance

     

    Looking at some of the AirLive models I can't help but think that Zavio isn't the ODM/OEM of some of their designs.

     

    Take a look at the bar cams from both outfits... I'm 90% sure that AirLive did the ODM/OEM but Zavio did the firmware.

     

    Here is another interesting solution from an outfit in Germany called RaidSonic that again is a stencil outfit that doesn't do the design but buys OEM/ODM and stencils.

     

    http://www.raidsonic.de/en/products/cameras.php?pid=4_1_1

     

    And this one is the same bloody unit as the Zavio B7210 from what I can see...

     

    http://www.raidsonic.de/en/products/cameras.php?we_objectID=8145

     

    The Germans seem to use an entirely different firmware even though it's the same hardware.

     

    http://www.nikktech.com/main/articles/security/631-raidsonic-icy-box-ib-cam2002-1-3mp-outdoor-ip-camera?showall=&limitstart=

     

     

    Does anybody know the OEM/ODM because IMHO it's neither Zavio or RaidSonic that engineered the camera hardware.

     

    I have a feeling AirLive might be the ODM as they are a MUCH BIGGER engineering house than the other outfits...

     

    AirLive Camera

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    Zavio Camera

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    Zavio B7210

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    RaidSonic Icy Box IB-CAM-G2214H

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  4. Posted

    Do you MASTER/FACTORY RESET the cameras AFTER FIRMWARE UPDATE?

    I know it's a PITA to do so BUT I ALWAYS do this with any embedded system platform and not doing so IMHO is MORONIC.

    I'm about to buy some of those Outdoor bullet 7210s and now you got me thinking...

    PSS Do you guys "certify" your network segments with something from JDSU etc? I ALWAYS DO THIS...

     

    You can afford JDSU

    but u can't afford better camera then Zavio

    the one of lowest quality product on market

     

     

    I come from an IT and structred wiring background and thus have that test equipment on hand. I wouldn't say that B7210 is poor quality!

     

    If you think that then I suggest you try out AVtech's gear where they can't even be bothered to place connectors on the end of the camera pigtails.

     

    LOL

     

    BTW has anyone tried Digifort or Digifort with Zavio? I heard Digifort works well with Zavio cameras...

  6. Posted

    Do you MASTER/FACTORY RESET the cameras AFTER FIRMWARE UPDATE?

     

    I know it's a PITA to do so BUT I ALWAYS do this with any embedded system platform and not doing so IMHO is lazy and FOOLISH.

     

    I'm about to buy some of those Outdoor bullet 7210s and now you got me thinking...

     

    THANKS

     

     

    Also you can't use the heater and blower with just PoE you need a second segment and 12V. I use the Planet PoE "splitter" for this purpose using another 802.3af segment from PoE switch.

     

    PS checkout this HIGH POWER Planet PoE switch http://www.planet.com.tw/en/product/product_ov.php?id=43178

     

    PSS Do you guys "certify" your network segments with something from JDSU etc? I ALWAYS DO THIS...

  7. Posted

    l havent got anywhere with AVTECH trying to find out if there is any way of viewing this camera on a Blackberry Playbook. IP Cam Viewer runs on the Playbook, has anyone successfully viewed this camera on a Playbook using this program?

     

     

    I'd seriously look at hacking the unit and loading Android on it. That OS it's currently using is a DEAD END and RIM is yanking "side loading" of android apps!

     

    Makes one wonder WTF is going on with management at RIM as it's a really stupid move...

     

    Google "Dingleberry".

  8. Posted

    I also found another unit, though a lot more expensive, called the Planet PoE-151S (100mbit) and PoE-152S (GigE). I'm curious if anyone has used those units from Planet.com.tw

     

    I also can't source the PoE switched I've used in the past from Edgecore SMCGS10P-Smart so I'm looking at the Netgear GS110TP-100NAS and am also curious if anyone has used this unit.

     

    Thanks for all of the help and input guys!

     

    Current BoM is the following if anyone wants to comment.

     

    2 AVN80X indoor

    2 AVN807 outdoor

    1 AVH306 NVR with 2TB WD2002FAEX

    2 LC-151 outdoor sensors

    2 FSA-410AST smoke detectors

     

     

    It's going to cost about $2000 bucks total for a 4 cam, 2 outdoor PIR, 2 indoor PIR and smoke alarm.

     

    He will be running EagleEyes on a Blackberry but will be migrating to iOS.

     

    After much research I believe this is the most robust system I can come up with at this price point for home use.

     

    Opinions?

  9. Posted

    God I don't want to get into fights again here.

     

    BTW that dude has been tracking to HACK MY NETWORK

     

    Since that conversations I've seen port scans originating from

     

    20.6.128.254

     

    That's in Burlingame in Cali.

     

    Hey if you don't stop doing that I'll contact the dudes that run you're server rack there pal!

     

    11:22:42 AM 20.6.128.254 Host blocked for 5 min SCAN (58827, 14796, 27852, 38092, 48076, 48332, 57804, 58060, 3277, 23245)

     

    5/15/2012 10:02:22 PM 20.6.128.254 Host blocked for 5 min SCAN (30918, 40646, 40390, 59846, 60102, 4039, 13767, 25543, 35271, 57543)

     

     

    Serious freaked out on how he got past my SPI firewall/router. Those packets should not have made it through to the intranetwork.

  11. Posted · Edited by Guest

    easy. yellow to center of coax, black to ground of coax, tape.

    red to red and black to black of power wire. tape.

    walk away, now you are pro.

     

     

    WOW you're a real pro ehh!

     

    Curious... where are you from?

     

    I'm also curious why you said that Avigilon software is crap and the worst you've used. If you make a comment like that please try to share the WHY you feel this way. Any JACKASS can make comment without backing it up with something....

  12. Posted

    In a dream world, I'd LOVE to have a 360 degree recording camera that can do this. I'd like SEVERAL of them, actually. Sadly, that day is likely still 5 to 10 years away.

     

    According to this http://support.lytro.com/entries/20718762-what-file-formats-does-the-lytro-support:

     

    The light field data, including 3D info about the color, luminosity and direction of 11 million rays, is stored in a format developed by Lytro called the LFP (Light Field Picture) format. When you move your "living pictures" to your computer via the Lytro Desktop software, each LFP file is about 16MB.

     

    They don't list a true resolution; they say it's "11 megarays", whatever that means. (You can currently export images as JPEG, at 1,080px X 1,080px) They say it's 16MB for a single image. Given the sheer amount of data they do store in each image, using I/P frame differences like h.264 does is either highly unlikely, or insanely processor intensive.

     

    Estimated sizes if we assume NO compression:

    1 image: 16MB

    1 second: 480MB

    1 minute: 28.8GB

    1 hour: 1.65TB

    1 day: 39.6 TB

     

    If they can swing something akin to h.264, then the numbers would obviously change to something a bit more reasonable.

     

    Just checked my recording, and an entire day of analog h.264 (1.5Mbps) is between 15GB and 16GB.

     

    The biggest hurdle will be price. Digging around for some Raytrix camera pricing (the people that really started the whole lightfield thing), they sell their R5 camera for just under €3000. That camera can do 30fps over GigE, or 90fps over USB3. Aperture is lousy, so lighting matters. But the max 2d image size? 1 megapixel (source: http://www.raytrix.de/tl_files/downloads/R5.pdf). Also, the Raytrix cameras require CUDA GPUs to perform a lot of their processing it seems.

     

     

    Very interesting stuff dustmop and thanks for sharing.

  15. Posted

    I'm curious what you guys think of the AVtech cameras. In particular their ETS series with PoE. It's a real shame the push series doesn't have PoE.

     

    Not having PoE on a cam is a deal breaking IMHO. I don't understand why all IP cameras don't have standards PoE.

     

    Of particular interest to me is the AVM357A.

     

    Anyone have experience with this product?

     

    Anybody know where I can source in Canada and who the distro is?

  16. Posted

    I think the data for that is stored in meta bro... (it's NOT a series of images at different focal points)

     

    That means it's simply ASCII text data dude...

     

    They key to processing is the algorithm and the optics to capture the data. The extra data I'm most certain is meta and stored in the EXIF.

     

    For sure for analytics it would take a lot more processing power.

     

    Still... in high light areas like you're saying it would work wonders.

     

    PS I asked here if there was an industry standard for cameras and this kinda thing. An API for IP cam trigger stuff and access for parameter changes etc. Not one dude responded ehh...

     

    It's called ONVIF BTW and the ver. 2.0 standards including event handling and analytics meta standards.

     

    I don't get why nobody responded to tell me about this when I queried.

  17. Posted · Edited by Guest

    Hey guys checkout these AMAZING cameras.

     

    http://www.lytro.com/

     

    That technology would just be INCREDIBLE for CCTV cameras.

     

    What do you experts think?

     

    Can you imagine what technology exclusives for a CCTV cam manufacturer would do for said company!

     

    It really is revolutionary technology.

     

    Here is the CEO's dissertation.

     

    https://www.lytro.com/renng-thesis.pdf

     

    REVOLUTIONARY

  19. Posted

    I'd take a look at the Axis M1054 as it has two way audio and a LED light. It's not the greatest in lux but the spec from Axis is HONEST. The Axis P1344 with AXIS T90A21 has really impressive low light performance from the videos I've seen. I'm very new to this and I don't know a lot of product yet. The ACTi TCM-1511 might also perform well but I haven't seen sample video of that one yet.

     

    Now that I've looked at the PQ of the cheap ACTi's I'm shocked that the CHEAP UBNT outdoor cam has on par PQ at 30fps with the unoptimized encoder.

  20. Posted

    Sorry to hear that. I'm shocked these devices don't have a TFTP client in their bootloader for recovery. They probably don't document it as they are fearful of non technical people messing with it on that level. Does the PCB have a JTAG? I'd be shocked if it doesn't have one. And hey NP with helping ya! I'm no expert though on cameras and CCTV. I'm sure others here might know TFTP recovery procedures. I have a LOT TO LEARN in this field but I learn quick!

  21. Posted

    http://www.transition.com/TransitionNetworks/Products2/Family.aspx?Name=SISTP1010-380-LRT&ProductID=45374

     

    Lots of industrial switches out there for this, but they are pricey.

     

    Been looking for another option for a 12VDC POE switch thank you!!

     

     

    That is a very nice looking "industrial" unit and even look at it's temp ratings etc. I recognize that name from YEARS AGO setting up thin-net back in the late 80s early 90s I think.

     

    I bet a lot of solutions for boats, cars and RVs use those.

     

    They have a non 12V model for 120V that has the same specs but adds two SFP ports. It's called SISPM1040-182D-LRT.

     

    Great product from the looks of it thanks for sharing.

     

    thewireguys that Tycon Power unit also has 12-57V DC input on a block on the NC model! VERY VERY NICE. owhh and input power can also be on a block and there is two for power fallback.

     

    WOW thanks for sharing the info on that TP-SW8-NC OP!

     

    On paper that a very versatile unit that can handle compliant and non compliant at various voltages as well as having DC and AC powering solutions with 2 blocks for power fallback etc. And it starts at $170 bucks! SMOKING DEAL from the looks of it.

     

    I'm amazed at how many cameras are not proper 802.3at compliant like the 12V ACTi units. Maybe I'm wrong here and they use layer 2 LLDP to negotiate voltage to 12V ? They claim class 3 compliance. I don't get why they would use 12V like that. You'd think from a engineering standpoint if your device uses the current to be class 3 then you'd be much smarter to use a higher voltage for PoE. As a note the Axis M11s that I'm comparing to the ACTi TCM-1231 are class 1 and use 48V standards 802.3at type 1. 48V will have a lot less insertion loss than 12V !

  22. Posted · Edited by Guest

    What does 802.11f Inter-Access Point Protocol have to do with POE complaint switches? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inter-Access_Point_Protocol

     

    Just an obvious typo/brainfart.

     

    That's a very powerful type 2 he's linked to. Dunno what you'd need that kinda power for though! Just be sure it's proper compliant in that it does negotiate PoE injection etc. Cheap non compliant "af" over "at" models can stupidly always sends juice down the segment. Plug those suckers by accident into a GigE PHY and it will surely blow up or take out SMT fuses and require SMT PCB rework.

     

    Some PSE use layer 2 to negotiate power "injection" as well. IMHO non intelligent/negotiated 802.3af PoE injection is DANGEROUS.

     

    Thanks for sharing that info EOppie as Tycon Power has some really nice looking gear and the pricing looks decent!

  23. Posted · Edited by Guest

    I also can throw in there Edge-Core and HP as making very high quality PoE switches. One thing to note is that not all PoE solutions are 802.3at type 1/2 compliant. Especially passive solutions. Many passive devices will not work with 802.3at compliant gear and require an external "converter" that can signal PSE is 802.3at capable by the PD presenting a 0.25–4 mA load. All of those switches I mention have more than enough switching fabric to handle video np. Fiber/GigE into the server via SFP from those switches is also possible. A fantastic workhorse model from Edge-Core is the ES4308-PoE. It's EOL though but still available through some channels. The replacement is an SMC branded model called the SMCGS10P-Smart. It's power management is very robust in the sense you can assign priority for the SMPS to each port. In other words you can assign specific wattage to a specific port or have a priority setting for what ports get what current over other ports. It's 10 PoE 802.3at compliant ports with two 2 SFP Uplinks. It's a great unit! If you want more aggregate power then checkout the Edge-Core enterprise units. They cost a lot more but are cheaper than HP or Cisco in that tier and are Type 2 compliant.

     

    The best in the business is generally considered HP but very pricy.

     

    BTW that switch you list sure looks interesting and one of the most powerful af Type 2 models I've ever seen in such a small form factor. I dunno about the brand though as I've never heard of them.

     

    Most "passive" PoE solutions from unknown brands are retarded in the sense they don't negotiate PoE requirements etc via the 802.3at standard and simply shoot power on pins 4/5 and 7/8. These unit IMHO are very DANGEROUS and people can accidentally plug those ports into a device that's not "passive" PoE. Generally when you do this you damage the PHY in the device connected. Many that claim to offer 802.3af compliance are really just dumb passive injectors that don't do detection or classification. These are the units that are DANGEROUS IMHO. It looks like this unit the OP linked isn't such a beast. It looks like a really amazingly priced Type 2 unit ehh!

  24. Posted · Edited by Guest

    Can you please share why you have this opinion about Blue Iris and the UBNT cams? Another user here mentioned that Blue Iris ran for MONTHS without even a reboot. Everyone I've spoken to say it's very stable and mature. He will probably not be using any triggers and he doesn't need remote support and the HTTP server is fine for local intranet access.

    it has nothing to do with blue iris or those cameras.

    it has to do with your claim that everything else is crap.

    you are new to the security industry, you do not yet know what is really crap yet.

     

    Your response included even a quote from me regarding airCam and Blue Iris... How the heck am I going to know you're generally speaking to me as to my perceptions and nothing to do with the topic at hand IE Blue Iris and those airCams.

     

    whats better is something that actually works and does the job. not something that just looks pretty. you are new to the security industry, you will catch on eventually.

     

    WTH?

     

    Also I didn't say "everything else is crap" brother!

     

    What you talkin bout Willis!

     

    Yeah I took a run at those cheap ass mainland "turnkey" systems with VERY CHEAP analog cameras and a frame grabber and any integrator worth his salt would agree. They generally cost with monitor and embedded NVR frame grabber about the SAME as this solution. I'm talking the stuff they sell at Costco etc with strange mainland china brand names and HORRIBLE manuals with poor grammar! The framerates and image quality of all of those types of systems I've seen are borderline USELESS. So yeah I guess I did say some stuff is crap. But I didn't say "everything else is crap" as you assert.

    Why are you trying to bust my balls man!

     

    As for my reactions to Avigilon and cynicism!

     

    I mean come on! Every second tag I read is some dude that's a certified dealer and most suggestions point to it. My cynicism is understandable no?

  25. Posted

    It uses IE as browser for web acces. The firmware files have md5, and the update worked on 43 ather cameras simultaneously.

    I am not in the rush to take speedy actions as not to kill it permanently, but i do hope tosolve this ASAP.

    I can't find the camera using their IP Utility software. However, it's ip works at the default adress, 192.168.0.100, but shows a message similar to installing an ActiveX control that reads "Do you want to open or save videoconfiguration_cgi from 192.168.0.100?". I have the options to save or open, but these are useless.

     

     

    Why would it specifically use IE? That doesn't make any sense what so ever! I guess if it uses an active X control to view video via it's web server but this has no barring what so ever on using it's interface to make settings changes. If the cam's webserver requires ActiveX just to make settings changes or it's UI is an actual ActiveX control then that's just HORRIBLE! It's very highly unlikely though... Just watching the video from the camera's webserver requires ActiveX bro! I'd avoid using that browser and try to use firefox IMHO if using recent versions of IE due to it's security feature sets unless you know how to config it properly to avoid issues.

     

    Do you know how to place the unit into TFTP recovery mode? That's what you need to do. If you're using windows you need a TFTP server like TFTP32 to upload the firmware into the client.

     

    What about "hard reset" procedure? That should involve holding the reset button for a special period of time and sequence.

     

    I'm sure all this info is available at the cam vendors website.

     

    Best of luck!

     

    It sounds like EEPROM failure to me... RMA time! or if you're really savvy and have a flow/hot air station you can probably replace the EEPROM SOIC8 or what ever it uses easily. Just make sure you use the exact same EEPROM chip. It might even be socketed too ehh!

     

    I have a Willem programmer for these types of scenarios with various socket adapters. It's saved my ass many times! BTW if you want one of these EEPROM programmer I'd checkout this dude in Vancouver than runs a site called MCU mall. I have the GQ-4X and it's a fantastic programmer with great drivers and software. It's also great for hacking car MCUs for high performance!

     

    A lot of devices are no longer socketed so you'd probably need a SOIC8 SMD Programming/Testing Clip or a reflow workstation to remove the EEPROM for flashing or replacement.

     

    PS a JTAG is also invaluable for recovering embedded devices and I'd bet if you open up that cam it has a JTAG port on it's PCB!

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