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I am planning to install a 4 channel poe switch with 4 cameras ip 3 MP and 3 of them are 300 feet away from the poe switch, I know the transmition limitation using CAT5 OR CAT6 which is 100 metter= 328 ft in date but i dont know about the limitation of the power using a regular PoE switch.. please help!!!

should I buy a PoE switch with high Amperage??

Thank you guys

here is the design I am using 3 ehn 200 enginius antenas and each antennas will have a 8 poe switch with 5 3mp cameras attached to it, and 1 EHN210EXT antennas as receiver, I know you can configure up to 5 ehn200 with out problem using 2.4 mhz up to a mile away, my question is :

how do I measure the bandwith ? no software is build in enginuis to measure they said 300mbp but who knows

AM I over loading the EHN200?

the distance is one enh200 300 feet and the other one is 800 feet away

ANY SUGGESTION? have anybody have push the bandwith the limits on enginuis antennas

Thank you very much for you rtime

I have done CCTV the last 7 years, last years my low voltage license expired, it was some finantial issues that I am still dealing with, so 2 week ago I did a job to a customer, the total amount was 6000 dollar for 24 cameras installation including the camera and DVR 960h resolution, so customer never show up when we did the installation, all cableswe running outside thewall, becasue the office has a second floor and no attic, so I tied up the very professional to the corner where ceiling and wall end/start, after we finish the job, cameras look beautiful, remote conection works perfect, everything work great , customer is complainin very seriously about how it looks like, becasue it doesnt loo perfect, i explained about the building limitation and there were nothing we could do about it, anyways.. customer after playing with my time for probably one week and make me do free job for her like installin remote tv and runing extra cable she hit the point where sheis trying to use any excuse to no to pay me, and she want me to show my license, she said if my license is expirer she wont pay me... i think she already did some research and will use as excuse...

any help from you guys?

Thank you, she totally took advantage of my kindness

did you make your own cat5 cables? did you test them afterwards?

I purchased the cat5 from a local vendor that I use to buy from, dont get me wrong I hate working with balun, but I usedn 4 cables cat5 run to install 8 out the 20 cameras, I have done before without any problem, I was just trying to take advantage of cat5 running one cable to just one location with 2 cameras

........The balun are passive so 2 pair in data balun and 2 pair for power with a power male connector so running cat5 (4 pair) give me an option to run 2 cameras with just one cable

run siemesse cable rg59 was not an option due to the thickness of it.

Guys,

I just made an installation 24 cameras with a regular analog stand alone dvr we ran cat5 to multiple locations, runs are not longer than 100feet away from dvr, I am using cheap passive balun in both end, when i pluged in the cameras at the dvr, some cameras has a very nasty static issues, so cable are ran outside the wall, so there is no high tension cables or light around.

Also some cable has that issue and some doesn't on the same run, when i move connector sometime i can remove the issue sometime no

how can I solve this situation?

what I have done:

1.- i switched DVR and i had the same issue

2.- where the DVR is located there is not any high voltage cable around

I am thinking to change the stupid cheap balun, is that the right option to go? please any advice will be very helpful

Thank you for your times guys!!

I have a Dahua DVR 4 port D1 and I had 2 cameras ptz, so I was able to move them and control PTZ cameras individually every time, so I added a new PTZ same brand same specification so now when I move the new PTZ one of the other PTZ moves too at the same time. on the back of the dvr I have hook up in the same rs-XXXX port all 3, like I said when I had 2 everything was working perfect now I added a new one and 1 work independently but the other 2 don't

PLease CCTV genius Help!!

Thank in advance you guys are master in this!!

I have a project where 3 cameras are going to be installed around 1000 feet away, i did a research and i found this product:

http://www.ethernetextender.com/ethernet-extension-products/ethernet-extension-kits/868Pro.php

It is a POE runing just one cable and having 2 POE at the end and by request they can make all POE max 6 Watt per port, so the problem that I have is my IP cameras 2 MP are 12vdc and 1.5A (18Watt), so the guy at the company told me that most cameras 2MP with 30 LED dont need 12 vol either 1.5 A, and he said most of the cameras under that configuration work fine with 6 Watt, well I dont know what to believe, the cameras that I am using are 802.3af POE

here are the cameras spec.

http://www.ltsecurityinc.com/en_us/product/1013.html

Also I tried at home with a cameras with the same specification and a power supply 500mA and 12 Volt and it work fine..... so I am confusing about meeting the minimum requirement... any advise? any experience you guys can provide?

Thank you for your time

I use a lot of Ubiquiti gear for this type of project, the Nanostation series equipment will run you less than $200 USD for a complete link (2 units). The 5GHz product (NanostationM5) tends to be more reliable, due to more channel choices, and less other equipment running in that band.

So How many ubitity nano station you can have in the same network? ihave a project Community complex and they want cameras all around and no way to run cable underground, I was thinking about using nanostation but i am thinking about 8 cameras using nanostation.. so is there is any limitation about amount of nanostation in the same network?

You need to answer the questions I asked before I can point you in the right direction.

Answewring u question:

Camera manufacturing vivotek

Nvr might be vivotek software or milestone or standalone nvr that I already installed with this cameras and work fine......

What I am thinking to do I to buy 4 cameras and installed at the pole with anntenas and see how they work , I will test them out for couple days, if I have problem with video or loww resolution or cameras loosing conection ,I will infor the customer and I will send another proposal inncluding. Fiber and trench....

I hope this wireless u r talking about work fine....

Btw thank u very very very much for u time

I hope this

Good to heard tnat, so u r a pro in this wireless, thx for u feedback, what brand do u recomend for this type of project?

I really appreciate u feedback

I am trying to save around 8 thousand in trench, cable and confuit to the customer using wirless technology, I think based in the amount it isn't bad just to try, I spoke with the engineer at engenous and they told me that the ENH500 is design for what I am trying to do, also I know about ip address and network and techsupport told me that it is very straig forward....

Sound like everybody has done this job with fiber and no body has done it wireless..... r people afraid to try wireless technology?

Tech support told me, we won't sale a product who isn't working with u product..

Here is the link

http://www.engeniustech.com/business-networking/outdoor-access-points-client-bridges/9340-enh500-

I didn't understand u reply, I am trying to do it wireless with anntennas

There is powerWhere cameras r going to be located, so no need trench for power sofar, I will try first and test and I will let u know, I know fiber is the good option, but bidget is limitated.....

Thank u for advise, I will test the wirless and see whathappen before installation

I appreciate u feedback, but I am avoid fiber because:

1,- no idea about fiber and I can't learn with this customer

2,,- no BUDGET,

3.- just open the trench over asphalt, company is charging me 4 dollar per feet and there are 1500 feet

Thank u for u help... but I am asking about whireless ENH500 antenna and evaluate that solution even if it isn't the perfect one

your poe switch goes at one end of the 1300' pipe, your nvr at the other end... connect the two ends via fiber.

 

So you are saying that for IP 2Megapixel Cameras it can not transmit video in a distance further than 400 feet?

no. ip cameras can send video anywhere in the world... but you need to build the network properly. *ethernet* is limited to 100m (approx 328') per segment. fiber is probably your best bet in this case; wireless won't give nearly enough bandwidth and will be highly unreliable unless you have unobstructed line-of-sight.

 

remember that the camera isn't "sending video" as such; it's encoding the video into network data. anywhere you can send the data, you can send the video. it can go over 3g (cellular), over the internet, over fiber, using dsl, etc. but fourteen 2mp cameras will potentially generate a *lot* of data, so the network connecting them to the dvr has to be able to handle that traffic.

what about if I am planing to install 7 2MP ip cameras using ENH200 bridge access point?, the area is a parking lot so no trees, no building in the middle, the longest run is 900 feet away from router, so planing to have 2 ENH200 per camera so one for receiver and one for transmitter.

Have you guys done something like that before?

Do you think cameras wont have any delay in speed and resolution?

Do i have to use any specific router for this?

how stable is this solution?

Thank you

I am planing to install 7 2MP ip cameras using ENH200 bridge access point, the area is a parking lot so no trees, no building in the middle, the longest run is 900 feet away from router, so planing to have 2 ENH200 per camera so one for receiver and one for transmitter.

Have you guys done something like that before?

Do you think cameras wont have any delay in speed and resolution?

Do i have to use any specific router for this?

how stable is this solution?

Thank you

your poe switch goes at one end of the 1300' pipe, your nvr at the other end... connect the two ends via fiber.

 

So you are saying that for IP 2Megapixel Cameras it can not transmit video in a distance further than 400 feet?

no. ip cameras can send video anywhere in the world... but you need to build the network properly. *ethernet* is limited to 100m (approx 328') per segment. fiber is probably your best bet in this case; wireless won't give nearly enough bandwidth and will be highly unreliable unless you have unobstructed line-of-sight.

 

remember that the camera isn't "sending video" as such; it's encoding the video into network data. anywhere you can send the data, you can send the video. it can go over 3g (cellular), over the internet, over fiber, using dsl, etc. but fourteen 2mp cameras will potentially generate a *lot* of data, so the network connecting them to the dvr has to be able to handle that traffic.

Only 7 cameras out 14 will be ran over 500 feet and only 3 cameras out these 7 will be ran over 1000 feet , I know fiber can be an option, but still have to run conduit and trench 1500 feet, so now i am thinking to use Antennas, like access point, cameras will mounted in a big poles, so just 7 cameras will be using access point antennas and the other 7 just a regular Ethernet cat5 cable.....

so am I in a right direction? 7 antennas is too much date to handle it wireless? antenas transmit in a low speed? Antennas handling IP are plug and play?

Thank you for all you help!!!

You can transmit analog video over cat 5, 5e, and 6 for more than a 1000' using baluns. I've read some crazy distance numbers using active baluns. The 328' limit for IP isn't a camera limit it's a network design limit. Seems strange that internet covers the planet but once you start running it yourself you seem to be limited to 328'. You'll have to convert to something like optical fibre for longer IP runs. Sit down before you get a price quote though. Wikipedia isn't a bad place to start to learn about the specs and limits of cat 5e and cat 6 cables. You can run more power and more data over cat 6 but you're still stuck with 328' max for IP networking. If you can place a network switch every 300' or so then you can do 1300' in chunks. Burial grade switches are hard to come by though.

So you are saying that for IP 2Megapixel Cameras it can not transmit video in a distance further than 400 feet? that is so bad!!! and also I will have to buy everywhere and run extra line for power the switches.....

How do you plan to get an IP camera to work for longer than 328 feet per run? With an active repeater of some kind every 100m you don't need 1300 unbroken feet at a time.

Well I thought you can run CAT5 Without repeater for longer than 1000 feet., I am confused, any link where i can look for info, I know CAT5 will transmit the video but i am concern with POE, or should I run a different power line?

I am planing to run 14 CAT5 cable underground using PVC the length will be around 1300 feet, all cameras are 2MP 12 volt Ip cameras

my question is:

1.- How much and where can I find a cable roll bigger than 1000feet CAT5, most my vendor only sell 500 and 1000 feet

2.- What POE switch will be perfect for this installation, there is any drop in Volt due to distance?

About router. has to be some specific router or can be any decent profesional route?

I install HD IP Cameras and NVRs and the quality and ease of install out way anything analogue systems have to offer.

 

I've also seen a demonstration of the half way house solution of HD SDI. The only advantages I see is that you can replace an old analogue system and use the existing co-ax to install HD cameras but only up to around 2MP.

 

I have just completed installing 28 x 4MP cameras around a site of the size you mention. We had to put 5 cameras on poles around the perimeter of the premises and the rest were placed in and around buildings on the site. For the cameras on the poles, we had to run fibre optic cabling as it was much too far for Cat 5e/6. Other buildings around the site were linked back to the main data cab also with fibre for the other cameras.

 

I think that the HD SDI solution will soon disappear. It is only been created to use existing co-ax infrastructure, but as IP cameras & NVRs evolve, it will soon look as redundant as analogue now is.

 

So my advise is:

 

1) Learn some networking skills. Go on a week's course. It's a lot easier than you think and IP is here and IP will be everything in the future - not only CCTV! Don't get left behind.

 

2) You say you don't want customers calling you up complaining things are not working. Well when you get your networking skills, you will be able to set up the cameras/NVR/PoE Switches so you can control everything remotely from the comfort of your office - viewing the cameras, resetting them, altering the focus on them and also any of the settings. Also the NVR will email/text you with faults & camera failures, probably before your customer has even noticed! Remember IP cameras are computers in themselves, not the dumb devices analogue cameras were. In all honesty, we get a lot less call outs to the IP cams/NVRs than we did with the old analogue systems we used to install.

 

3) Cat 5/6 is far easier to install than co-ax. Also it supplies the power and control - so no extra cables! Don't be afraid of installing fibre optic cable. It's cheaper than you think and terminating it is a breeze with a fusion splicer (which you can hire for a few hundred quid/dollars/euros). Fibre can go for miles!

 

4) Advise your customer not be a cheap skate. He wants his site to be secure, but doesn't want to pay much for it. Well more fool him! Put cheap cameras in and reap the disappointment when some incident occurs.

 

Hope this helps.

Ok my friends here is the situation:

I have a customer who own a parking lot for trucks, he need to install 13 cameras 2 MP around. some cable will be ran around 1200 feet long distance, I know HD SDI can run no longer than 500 feet without extender for data coaxial, and I know ethernet CAT5 will be perfect for this job.

My problem is: Customer do not want to pay for vivotek and axis or whatever other big brand for 2 MP which goes from 400 to 700 dollar cameras, also me as technician I do not want to deal with IP, ROUTER, COMPUTER, MICROSOFT VERSION PLATFORM, AND POE SWITCH

One of the benefit that I see in HD SDI solution based in my experience is the plug and play option, and easy to trouble shoot, with out dealing with ip and network issues. Some of the system like geovision or other NVR say that they are PLUG AND PLAY but it isnt true, HD is true Plug and play

Customer DO NOT want to upgrade the system to 3 or 4 MP cameras in the future so the benefit for IP wont apply in this situation

So should I go for HD SDI with extenders every 500 feet even if they are expensive? i am thinking right or wrong?

I know a lot guys here are NVR lovers, but I Do not want to be dealing with service call customer saying " hey cameras are blinking" or "one camera disappear and after one hour came back", or " windows was doing an UPDATE and reboot the system what should I do?"

any feedback? any help from you guys will be appreciated!!!

Thank you

Hey guys, I live in Phoenix AZ, i have small company here and we have been doing pretty good in the last 4 years doing security cameras, now we are selling ipcameras and HDCCTV and most customer are happy, well like 4 month ago, ADT and Cox communication and another big huge company are promoting Video Surveillance, any type search you do locally in google and yahoo they are on top plus huge advertisiment in TV. So my company has been impact and customer when they call they always name ADT, of course ADT finance the complete solution but it is getting hard

I havent get any info from this people, they do not provide any especification equipment over the phone, they do a free consultation on site

Also We just do CCTV, no into alarm and control access.... any feedback? how we can bring dow this people? hahah well thank you for your time

http://www.adt.com/home-security/solutions/video-surveillance

I have a customer who wants:

- 2 cameras PTZ megapixel who can transmit wireless to a distance of 1000 feet, I know has to be with antenna

- 2 cameras 2 megapixel working with antenna

- NVR STANDALONE 4 CHANNELS

if it is possible my questions are:

- DAHUA NVR will support the antenna connection?

- Antena will transmit video but to control the PTZ?

- what antena will fit better for this 1000 feet ( iknow it depends but customer want to go to top of the line

i think it will be a mess, i never tried any installation with antenna

Customer want to control the cameras once in while from different state..

any ideas? sound crazzy?

THANK YOU GUYS

Have you guys tried any regular dahua camera with the Q SEE NVR????

I know the NVR is Dauha but have you guys tried?