rory

Ok no they have no images on Sony Site with settings for this camera. If you can send a manual or photo of the settings panel post here or email me. Also, one thing with sunshades, I found they rarely ever work, at least here in the Bahamas. Also, nice house, nice garden lighting )

If your TV has RCA inputs all you need is a BNC - RCA Adaptor. I have a hand held and to be honest they are too small to get the best quality picture. I used a 9inch BW monitor for a while but it 'disappeared' on a job. Now i am using a cheap 13" Color TV for now until I can get my hands on a nother 9" CCTV monitor. CCTV monitors have higher resolution than a tv, but a TV can helo you focus a better crisper image than a small hand held. You should be able to move the sun shades back a little more, had the same issue myself with some Ganz Housings I was sold for a local bank here, had to move them back more, they came default but were too far forward for a wide angle lens (4mm in my case, not really that wide but wider than the manufacturer set them up for). Thats probably your problem with clarity, having someone else focus it for you via a phone or radio, never works great. Yes, use a regular TV, but dont drop it! ) The one i use cost me $99 probably $40 -50 for you in the US, and has RCA inputs and handles to hold it and its light. A color CCTV monitor or BW will cost much more but give you better clarity. My next job I get im buying a CCTV monitor, but for now, the small TV works great. Edited: Like alan said, focus it in either dim lighting or early evening, make sure to use the back focus also for best quality. Use something to focus on in the area that you want the camera to see (eg:50ft away), i use something in the picture such as leaves that can be defined or a vehicle's edges. There are video meters out there now that id like to get my hands on, which claim to help with focus. In cameras 1 & 3 id use the vehicle to focus on, or the 'raindeer' in camera 1 ( ). In cameras 2 & 4 id park the vehicle there or use a tree or plant to focus in on, OR, have another person go within view. Camera 1, 3 & 4 seem to be out of focus, id go out there tonight with a TV and adjust until you get a crisp picture, then the daytime should be fine also. Camera 2 doesnt seem to bad, not sure as it may just be the DVR card. Brightness levels seem ok. If you want post the type of camera and i may be able to send you exact instructions on its settings using a manual I can download (hopefully). Rory

Hi, wherer are you located and can you purchase from online and or a local distributor, if not you may end up paying retail, otherwise you can get some good wholesale type prices. The following are wholesale using some bullet cameras and a VDR (like a VCR but is digital quality, same price, but has a hard drive and a higher digital quality), does not have a remore option or audio, but is still digital. (this is only an example) 4 BW Provideo CVC-130R Bullet Cameras (0.1 lux) @ $80 US each - $320 http://www.spytown.com/provcvbwbulc.html (not same product but similar enough - they dont seem to have the 130R - this is only $10 more) (or Kalatels new Bullet, narrower lens but good if you want better wuality - and dont need to cover such a wide area - comes in color in day and sees in dark up to 40 feet in pitch dark - http://www.spytown.com/ktc-cbs24.html) 1 GE Interlogix Kalatel VDR -40GB - $415 http://www.spytown.com/vdr-40.html 1 Ge Interlogix Kalatel CBR-4mxQ Simplex (no motion recording - simple mux) BW 4 Channel Multiplexer - $470 ($555 for color for future camera upgrades if you wanted) http://www.spytown.com/cbr-4msq.html (color - http://www.spytown.com/cbr-4csq.html) (color w/ motion recording (longer)-http://www.spytown.com/cbr-10mez.html) Thats $1205 Wholesale cost - you can plug into RCA video input on your TV for viewing, or purchase separate CCTV monitor or TV. Check out www.Spytown.com (all the kalatel products -http://www.spytown.com/search--by-part-number-kalatel.html) (all the Provideo products - http://www.spytown.com/csisproveq.html) HOPE THis Helps some Rory

Hi. Ok, you have some good cameras and housings and lenses. AS for the System i dont know it and its PC based, may not be the best, our australian friend or Alan may be able to assist you on that. Have you tried to set up each camera on a cctv monitor or small TV yet, for focus of lenses, settings etc? Best to get one working perfect first then set up the rest like that. Looks like 2 cameras are too far from the hosuing glass, need to move them forward more. Also make sure focus is good, and make sure housing glass isnt dirty from rain etc. Here are some pictures captured remotely over the internet (less quality from original) from one of my installs using Kalatel DVRs, Cameras, and some provideo BW bullet cameras. View the images at this thread: http://www.cctvforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=22

Well the X10 is not considered CCTV, its more of a joke ) It is a power line interface, if you have bad power you will not get a good picture, we can barely use them in this country, know people that just couldnt get them to work in their locations so ended up throwing it out and buying something better. And by the way the X10 look like crap, and they are not 100% wireless, you still need power. Actually not much wireless is 100% wireless, there is always the need for power. Sams Club, Kmart, Radio Shack Etc, we never sell these, they are DIY and good luck with the picture. Cheap in , well my books is a bullet camera like from Provideo. That is worth it as it is cheaper than the more expensive beand names, but is a camera that lasts. There are cheaper brands like eclipse and COP i have used in the past but would not touch again. Like everything in life, you get what you pay for, simple as that. Really just get what you can afford. You can always upgrade later, and prices will be lower by thhen probably or they may have specials. Rory

Not here. The only way i can get any cheaper is to order in bulk from the manufacturer as they dont normally sell to end users in the americas. But people here can simply go online to places like www.spytown.com and see my pricing that i get from the distributor anyway, so its a little different situation for in my case. We also pay 25% customs tax on video or 42% on electronics such as alarms. PS. i wish i was in australia

thanks Alan. Yep, i would then have to send them back to Korea (or wherever) andwait for a return, not worth it unless i had a ton of them in stock already. We dont have the market for that huge size of an order here yet. Ill stick with the US distributors right now.

Okay, one more here ------------------------------------ System: 1 Kalatel 16 Channel Triplex Multiplexer 1 Kalatel DSR-2000e 320GB DVR 1 20" Samsung CCTV Color Monitor 1 12VDC 10 Channel Fused Power Supply 3 24VAC Power Transformers 1 DSL Modem 1 DSL Router & Hub 1 UPS Back up 1 Diesel Generator Backup Cameras 10 Provideo BW IR Bullet Cameras, 420TVL, 0.1 Lux 1 @ Office Door, 2 @ Inside Bar (1 per cash register), 4 @ 2 outside Bars (2each, 1 per cash register), 1 @ Front Entrance, 1 @ staff parking, 1 @ Dance Floor 2 Kalatel 240CE Low Light Color Cameras 480TVL, 0.3 lUX, 2 @ Car Park in Weatherproof Housings 1 HuntCCTV VandleResistant Color Dome, 4-8mm (set to 8mm), 470TVL (Front Entrance Hallway - line up) ------------------------------------- We tried to get away from BW and use color, but no matter what low light color camera you used in the dim nightclub lighting, color would not produce crisp enough images to be used in evidence, so we stuck with these Bullet cameras. There is light in the car park and the owner wanted to see the color of cars, shirts, etc, same goes for the Lineup area at the front door. The actual Front area where the florescent light, cashier/ticket office, etc is, too dim for color, so back to BW. Dance Floor shows up good while the actual lumination is very low, except when the lighting show is on. Bars produce crisp images of cash registers and outside the bar area for client safety. While starting off cash registers was the main concern, due to instance such as fights, more cameras were added, or redirected, thankfully as after that such instances such as fights, car theft, arson, etc, took place. These have been used as evidence for the police several times, and several staff have also been fired for stealing. The owner can view the club from home, or while visiting the US. They can view play back up to 9 days. It is recording 13 cameras at 20pps, on the 320GB, quality is more important for this client than length of recording. We are planning to release a web site before xmas, with membership login, 4 cameras on a seperate DVR, with custom web page Remote video. This is to be designed for spring break primarily, as thats their busy time. This system has really been worth it to the owner. Hopefully more night clubs here will invest in proper video surveillance also, will have to wait and see.

dont know if my quote will go through, as its all about who you know, but hopefully they are different from the rest and will be more professional and pick the best quote (and not worry too much about the high price! ) Actually we didnt mark it up as much as most would, but will still be able to make something off it. I think a real estate deal may be going through before this quote does, which will bring me much more money than I would on this or any other cctv job (that i can think of, maybe except for a casion job)! Papa will be able to gat a new PAIR of cars!!

thanks, thats the softeware i wrote myself also. I also made a browser based and a couple others like special LCD touch screen demo (none of them completed as yet). No havent tried the ganz. Not a big seller in this area (per say my dealers), seems casinos like them, at least the illegal foreignors they get to install them here like them! (security is 100% bahamian, they simply get the work permits as something else and rub the pocket of a gov official with some extra green paper, a norm in this country!)

dude you keep saying standaalones for $300 us, there are non that exists on this side of the world! :-0

Hi Just got back online been off and on for a few days not in my appt, back in now. Yep i saw your other post. will check it out some more, like isaid though too expensive for me to order just a coupld cameras from korea, we dont have a market to order alot yet. As for the DVRs, they cost more than Kalatels, i looked at them, but will stick with Kalatel for now. They have a 4 channel with NO remote option, for like $750, the onewith IP is like $1500-1700, all wholesale pricing. Kalatel;s wholesale on the 4 channel Storesafe with CDRW, LAN, etc, $1495 wholesale. Also connects via phone line with external modem. The provideo bullets are good as an alternative to very cheap (like eclypse) or more expensive like a well known brand name traditional camera in weatherproof housing. As for the name. Provideo is (or was) the name, owned by CSI-SPECO. Thanks

Almost all my installations required night time viewing, and the last couple we went through a few different cameras. Still use Provideo IR Bullets in a local nightclub application though as they work well at the bars and the dance floor. For outdoor IR though, with color in the day, ExtremeCCTV's EX82 is one of the best. (at my apartment though i use the provideo IR bullets, cheaper and do the job, though i do have some lighting) Post your tests / experiences with different day/night cameras, so we can see and maybe test one four ourselves.

ok guys i got a quote for the largest bank here in the bahamas. it is to upgrade all systems to DVRs from tape. Plus add a few new cameras, and fix/replace any old ones that dont work good. They want 2-3 months at 5pps. Anyway, as they have different numbers of cameras at each locations, from 4 cameras, 6 cameras, 8 cameras, 11, 12, 15,16 etc. What size Hard disk space would you suggest in this case, not knowing exaclty how long each will record with motion. I am using Kalatel DVRs, so brand is not a question. What is , is that I know from previous installs, 8 cameras @ 5pps on a seperate DVR and mux, on a 320GB does 28 days recording. Now I also noticed the all in ones at 2.5pps is just as fast as 5pps on a seperate DVR and Mux. I was concidering working it out at 2.5pps, and just using the calculations like this: 4 cameras @ 2.5pps - 160GB - 56 days this would be for a 24 hour gas station, which would mean the bank should get more than that, so I could say 2-3 months. Then for locations with more cameras I just double the cameras and hard drive etc, to get the sizes needed. Sound right?? Here is an example of the number of cameras per location: Locations Camera Amount 1 12 2 15 3 16 4 8 5 11 8 20 9 4 10 12 11 6 12 3 13 2 14 5 Being that 4 channal DVRs and 16 channel DVRs are a huge difference in price, would you just quote the same size all around or quote it specific to each location, like i was going to. In other words I was going to quote a 4 channel 160GB for 4 cameras, 10 channel 320GB for 8 cameras, 16 channel 640GB for 13 cameras, 16 channel 1000Gb for 16 cameras, etc. They all are the same physical size, but just have less buttons on the front and less inputs on the back. Anyway, any suggestions please let me know. And by the way, no sorry, i wouldn't consider PC based systems for this job, too much maintenance and time consuming These DVRs have to fit in existing cctv lockboxes also. As for cameras, they have so many different brands per location, even bullet cameras in some, but the bullets are the newest and they dont want to change the ones that work. The majority of new cameras they have are everfocus traditional color camaras. Should i just quote their new cameras the same, using everfocus, or use a better camera that i was going to quote them on. I was basically going to quote Kalatel all around, as they have some good new cameras also, but everfocus is much cheaper. But remember this is a bank. But also, keep in mind other companies are quopting the job, and may use cheaper parts, cameras etc. I guess my main question is the DVR hard disk sizes, whether to keep them the same all around (which would mean some wont doo the whole 2-3 months like the 16 camera locations) or do them each specific for each location. I am also going to quote single channel DVRs to just replace their existing VCRs with, as a lower price option. Thanks Rory

ok puting the quote i on wednesday guys, will let you know what inspires

Actually they are different technologies, not sure what you mean about architecture. Im not building them just buying, installing, and have not yet had to do any maintenece to them PCI cards are only as good as the PC system it is installed on. So if you want simplicity and stability, then the stand alone embedded priority system is your choice. stand alones are more expensive in this part of the world, than the PCI cards.

darn, i hope you charged them enough on that!!!

id look into standa alone systems also, as you may come across clients that want that instead, for stability and no maintenance. Also, quality of cameras make a huge difference, you should investigate certain camera manufturers, and find one that you are happy with, testing makes all the difference. Just dont go with one that someone says is good. ALSO, what the client wants, if they dont want to spend much, then when you sell them a cheap camera, cheap DVR, or PC based DVR, let them know it is not the top of the line, and basically, they get what they pay for. Ive gotten clients recently that only care about saving money, so they are content with cheap $100 cameras and a PCI DVR card but i let them know that is what they are buying.

i dont want to mess with them, too much like a web cam.

a link to the specs are here:KTC-240CCE http://www.geindustrial.com/cwc/products/ge-interlogix?pnlid=9&famid=63&catid=1083&id=LegacyCams&lang=en_US ill see if can get a photo from the DVR software and post it here, problem is though it sees in almost pitch dark, i was amazed, better than BW IR cameras I tried! but the image quality degrades at such low light, typical with all low light cameras that are that low a lux. The lens makes a huge difference also, need the right F-Stop which is what these have.

thats not very low, not as low as others out there today,including Kalatel's 0.02 lux color low light camera. ive tested as low light color as 0.02 lux, just not the same high quality as a low light BW camera.

if you need facial detail you will need at least a 6mm or 8mm lens, 3.6 mm wide lens will be no use.

if she is using a good PIR i wouldnt replace it with a camera PIR, especially if using rokonet motions, the camera PIRs are nowhere as good for alarm systems.

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