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  1. If you just want a general image these cameras might work..understand that they are junk, and the image will be poor..if you are looking for a clear image and a system that is easy to install (single cable for power and data) then get an hd IP system. Or at the very least a cvi hd system...start reading the forum and doing research.

     

    Could you please suggest a product from amazon, so I can go through and read the details.

     

    I just need it for basic usage, so it does the job, thats all

    What job are you trying to "do"...if you just want to know if someone is in your waiting room or that a car pulled into your driveway, thats one thing...if you want to be able to id someone thats another....go to youtube and compare analog D1 resolution to 1080p...its night and day.

    What is your budget?


  2. If you just want a general image these cameras might work..understand that they are junk, and the image will be poor..if you are looking for a clear image and a system that is easy to install (single cable for power and data) then get an hd IP system. Or at the very least a cvi hd system...start reading the forum and doing research.


  3. Whatever you do, dont by an 8 camera system off ebay..its likely crap..

    What you need is an ip camera with an sd card slot..you cannot get good, cheap and fast...

    You can save some money by going with ali express but you will not have it fast...

    this camera does not have very strong night vision, but it has an sd card slot and built in mic

    http://www.amazon.com/Hikvision-Megapixel-Weatherproof-Security-Ds-2cd2532f-/dp/B00JIK0H5Q/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1419297283&sr=8-2&keywords=hikvision+2532

     

    This one has stronger ir, sd card slot, no audio

    http://www.amazon.com/HIKVISION-DS-2CD2732F-I-Megapixel-Bullet-NETWORK/dp/B00LP27BYU/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1419296994&sr=8-3&keywords=hikvision+2732

     

    This has NO sd card slot (but its much cheaper), you can use hikvisons free VMS software on your pc..depending on how old it is (also consider that older pc's may be power hogs)

    http://www.amazon.com/Hikvision-DS-2CD2332-I-Turret-Network-Camera/dp/B00GYHEG0S/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1419297336&sr=8-1&keywords=hikvision+2332

    You will need a 12v power adapter (they dont come with one) or better yet, a poe injector, you can use a single ethernet cable to power and stream data http://www.amazon.com/TP-LINK-TL-PoE150S-Gigabit-Injector-compliant/dp/B001PS9E5I/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1419297473&sr=8-1&keywords=poe+injector

    You will have trouble seeing anything from the second floor..all you will get is a head shot not face...

    IF you are going to mount it there, then use the 2732 with a vari focal lens...

    Dahua also has a motorized varifocal Dahua IPC-HFW2300R-Z which can be purchased for 200 from us sellers just google the model and select shopping ..NO SD CARD slot but you can record to dahua pss...


  4. I guess that is not a bad choice..but i dont see how its cheaper than cvi..the 4 channel 720p from costco is 269 vs 399 for the amazon unit.

    With costco you can bring it back anytime..if you have an issue with the amazon unit you only have 30 days..i dont see how you can upgrade and be out very little..


  5. Test the machine with a load of about 50 percent....You can just download the blue iris demo and test it...

     

    By the time you need to upgrade the motherboard on a prebuilt machine the OS license is not worth much... At that point you would just by a new machine.....


  6. I would spend a more for 1080...i dont know really know much about the cvi market...look at the dahua systems...if you want to minimize the cost you will have to buy direct from china via ali express...but you cannot return it and dont get warranties...look around for a us based seller if you are unsure....Just understand that is going to be a lot more than the 269 unit...


  7. 7.3 cents is very cheap an well below the national average...are you sure thats the rate? make sure you add both the supply and delivery. While i think the national average is about 12 cents, i pay about 20.

    That said the only way to determine consumption is to use a killawatt meter to test the machine under its normal load.

    I never build anymore...its makes no financial sense...Particularly if you are paying for the OS. There are TONS of great deals of refurbished business class systems that are only a few months old (make sure they are using haswell fourth gen processors)..they are built exceptionally well and run perfect. Every single one of my blue iris installs (and i have many) run on refurbished dell/hp/lenovo business machines without a hitch..There are some great small form factor business machines as well if you dont care for expansion room...Always check the processor benchmark...


  8. Which specific a10 are you using. Almost all intel chips have integrated graphics in them..Intel in general is more power efficient which is important in a system running 24/7.

     

    I have the A10-5800K which was the first gen model I think. I just did some googling and the onboard gpu is still better than the 4600 graphics that intel has but thanks for letting me know they do have something built in . I've mostly bought amd stuff and don't pay attention to anything intel. I may have to consider a i7 if I start having issues. My processor is sort of comparable to a i5 I think. A new i7 is 3x the cost of the a10 so I will hold out as long as I can.

     

    I'm glad to see both companies offering a quality built in gpu. Makes for a much simpler build and saves energy. Now time for me to starting playing with Blue Iris instead of asking so many questions

    AMD, is way behind the curve in the cpu business. That A10 actually compares to a haswell i3...and i5 is way faster http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i5-4570+%40+3.20GHz

    Blue iris does not benefit from the better graphics performance...its all about cpu..

    Since you have the system see if it works..

    In the future, you can buy refurbished business class haswell (fourth generation) i5 systems for 300 dollars (dell, lenovo outlets, or ebay) with next business day warranties for at about 2-3 years. The i7 are around 500...


  9. You can run ethernet over coax adapters, but it will cost you.. See this post viewtopic.php?f=19&t=44014&p=261844&hilit=coax#p261844

    Alternatively look into SDI, CVI, TVI systems, they allow hd over coax..wont be ip but you will get decent images...

    Finally, you can pay a pro to fish the cable...they are very good and can do it with minimal to zero damage..you may even be able to pull the ethernet by using the coax as a pull string..depends on how you installed.

     

    I was about three seconds away from posting the exact same thing...right down to the link

    You need to be quick with the trigger finger


  10. I was aware BI does its own motion detection. What I was asking is if its at least superior to what can be done on the camera and from your post it seems that way. I'm hoping I can tweak the recording delay to not record cars and flybys from mothra. I already have the machine with the a10. Does intel offer any chips with the integrated gpu like amd?

     

    I don't ever see myself running more than 4 - 6 cams. My cube cam I set to 1080p and others sometimes I use less than 5 fps.

    The motion detection is more flexible than the cameras...some hikvision cams offer line cross detection that is not available in blue iris (yet..he is always adding features)..

    Which specific a10 are you using. Almost all intel chips have integrated graphics in them..Intel in general is more power efficient which is important in a system running 24/7.


  11. You can run ethernet over coax adapters, but it will cost you.. See this post viewtopic.php?f=19&t=44014&p=261844&hilit=coax#p261844

    Alternatively look into SDI, CVI, TVI systems, they allow hd over coax..wont be ip but you will get decent images...

    Finally, you can pay a pro to fish the cable...they are very good and can do it with minimal to zero damage..you may even be able to pull the ethernet by using the coax as a pull string..depends on how you installed.


  12. I recently purchased blue iris on sale. I have't had much time to mess with the full version but I liked the demo. I've used acti nvr, xprotect, and installed ivms just goofing around. I bought a hik cube camera so that eliminated acti from my options. Why didn't I buy a acti cube cam with wireless and night vision? Because they don't make one! This is a good example of why its hard to rely on a manufacturers offerings. I guess I could replace the acti cams with hikvsions but I shouldn't have to. If I went this route I would probably just purchase a hikvision nvr.

     

    So that leaves most of us with a choice between xprotect and blue iris. For a residential hobbyist paying for xprotect is a bit much imo. The free version seems like they are trying to nickel and dime away features. Blue Iris seems like a much better option and did I read users saying the motion detection is superior to whats on the camera? I use an a10 from amd with the intergrated gpu. Not sure how far this will take me in blue iris but it probably cuts 20 watts from the cctv machine. I would like to run one of those mini pc's and use on cam detection software however without the video card, maybe lowers fps, and the direct to disc recording it seems you can make a good compromise with BI.

    BI will not support in camera motion detection (at least not yet) It uses it own pixel based detection...if you will be recording lots of megapixels you cannot use a low power pc...

    if you have a total of 15-18mp go with at least an i5-haswell...i7 haswell if you want a bit more breathing room.

    I get about 22 percent cpu use recording 22 megapixes on a i7-4770 (direct to disc) 15-20fps per camera. When cameras are triggered it bumps up a bit but not much..

    Because blue iris does its own motion detection , you can easily set up separate levels of detection for alerts vs recording, day and night, etc...

    For example, i have my recording threshold low, so that i dont miss any recordings..but i have my alert threshold high to minimize false alerts...i have my day night settings tweaked as well.


  13. If customer service and system reliability are better, I can probably deal with a narrow field of view as the cameras will mostly be monitoring doorways and not open areas. If customer service and product quality are lacking then it's back to the drawing board. Will the smaller lenses cause any other issues?

     

    Tom

    The revo has no reviews its hard to know...There is a significant loss of field of vision..unless you have a need to the narrow view (you want to capture something specific at a distance from the camera) dont do it. Why would you pay a premium and settle.

    Qsee rebrands dahua (for their ip cameras) and swann rebrands hikvision. Both have good reliability. If you want customer service and more camera and lens options, there are lots of us based sellers of those brands like nellys and wrightwood that would probably suit your needs.


  14. With almost any nvr/dvr you can have remote access set up. Its no big deal..

    If you are installing new, go with an IP HD system...most of these utilize power over ethernet (POE) so you just need to run a single cable to each camera and dont have to worry about powering them..

    http://www.costco.com/Q-See-4-Channel-HD-NVR-Security-System-with-1TB-HDD-and-4-1080p-Cameras.product.100149972.html

    http://www.costco.com/Q-See-8-Channel-HD-NVR-Security-System-with-2TB-HDD-and-6-1080p-Cameras.product.100128993.html

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