They are 2 Pelco PTZ domes, One Ademco ptz. 
  
The pelcos are now working over coax protocol (had to pullem down and reconfigure) so they are fine. 
  
The ademco supposedly supports d, p , and "Ademco" VCL? 
But it is spitting out serial garbage like crazy on the RS422 wires. 
  
So i may have a wiring problem. 
  
Thanks for the help. 
chap