LQ1985 0 Posted December 11, 2009 Hey Guys, I've never built a computer or upgraded one after my old windows died, I just bought a mac. But I need another windows PC for geovision and I am lost. Maybe someone can point me in the right way. Thanks In advance! Okay this is the what I have/need: Have Below: Can buy new one, or upgrade this if possible. Cheapest way Compaq Presario S5314ST: What I need: Something which can run/support this: Geovision DVR Cards - GV 800 (120FPS)/ 8 Camera=15fps each camera which seem okay correct) -System Requirements:- OS: Windows 2000 / Windows XP / Windows Server 2003; CPU: Pentium IV 2.0Ghz; RAM: 256MB (minimum); HDD: 80GB (recommended); VGA Card: nVidia GeForece II MX200 32MB; DirectX: 9.0 or above. GV-800 is currently not compatible with VIA series chipset motherboard and 64 bit systems. My Needs: -8 Camera's Dome/ Infrared : model:CD33W $59.99 -Be able to view from home/phone If you have any other camera recommendations, please feel free to mention. Thanks in advance, Ron Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Soundy 1 Posted December 12, 2009 That machine is bare minimum for GV's listed specs: http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?lc=en&dlc=en&cc=us&docname=c00045799 It's an AthlonXP 2600 (2.1GHz) and ships with only 256MB RAM and a 40GB HDD. The DDR RAM will be pricey to upgrade (to 1GB max). It would work, but you won't run anywhere near 15fps/camera, and you WILL need a larger hard drive for video storage. Frankly, I could get a brand-new system for under $300 that would walk all over that machine: http://a-power.com/product-2513-457-1 On the fps note, however... bear in mind that for surveillance purposes, you don't NEED anywhere near 15fps. It looks nicer, but it takes more power and eats more space and is rarely necessary. 1fps is plenty to see "what happened" in most instances. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WRS_Mark 0 Posted December 12, 2009 You can find the minimum system requirement on this page: http://www.geovision.com.tw/english/product/GV-800.htm I would however, recommend that if your budget allows going to even 2GB of RAM to do so. RAM is still not badly priced and it makes a significant difference. Because you depend on your DVR, maybe check out a reputable local PC builder and buy not the minimum equipment at the lowest price but a couple of steps up from the bottom. Seems whenever I go with the slightly pricier equipment I see fewer failures. Going cheap usually leads to buying everything twice. As for FPS, if this unit is going to monitor a liquor store as the subject header states, then yes. Go with a high frame rate. I installed a 4 camera system in a liquor store a while back using the EB1304NET SATA and some standard domes. Sure enough, about a month later I got called back in to help the store owner do a backup where a regular customer swiped an expensive bottle of booze. At 1-3fps, I doubt it that the evidence would have been as conclusive. Even 5FPS isn't too bad, but if your budget allows for the hardware then go for it. A good example of the difference in frame rates can be found here: http://www.cctvwholesalers.com/pages.php?pageid=11 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LQ1985 0 Posted December 12, 2009 Thanks you both for the response's. Does the computer processor speed affect the cameras? This is what I thought, if the processor was fine, I would pick up a 1TB from bestbuy for $100 and 2 sticks of 512mn ddr for under $50 online and have a good computer. I would be set to go, but dont get me wrong if the processor makes a difference i don't mind spending another $400-450. I was looking at this setup at bestbuy also: Asus: Model: CM5570-AP003 $450 ProcessorIntel® Pentium® Processor Speed2.6GHz System Bus800MHz Cache Memory2MB on die Level 2 System Memory (RAM)6GB System Memory (RAM) Expandable To16GB Type of Memory (RAM)DDR2 Hard Drive TypeSATA (7200 rpm) Hard Drive Size750GB GraphicsIntel® Graphics Media Accelerator X4500 Video MemoryUp to 1759MB shared Digital Media Reader or SlotsYes, digital media card reader Available Expansion BaysExternal: 1 (5.25"); Internal: 1 (3.5") Available Expansion Slots2 PCI, 1 PCI-E x16 Operating SystemWindows 7 Home Premium 64-bit I will still look for other cheeper ones, or if you other sites or brands that you recommended. But this is just a option is you think it will benefit me instead just upgrade my old compac. Mark: THANK YOU! for that video, it was very helpful to see the difference in FPS. I will need to go 15fps, just as you described i clearly need to watch inventory and be able to 100% see without blurs. Now my question is, Geo doesnt support 64bit, and every computer i find online/bestbuy is 64bit. Could i simply buy a 64 bit, and reformat with XP 32 bit? Or is it not that simple? This is what Im considering Currently: Geovision DVR Cards - GV 800 (120 FPS) $564 IR Dome AP-LIRD1W (Sony 1/3" CCD,420 Lines) 59.00 x 8 =$472 CCTV Siamese Cable - 500 spool $80.00 BNC Male Connector- 20 for $15 9ch cctv power supply 5amp-$45 2.1mm Female DC Plug 10 Inch Kit (8 for $7.60 The camera's are from: apexcctv dot com So I figure $1,182.10 plus computer lets say $450= $1631 for a good setup? If you guys recommend better camera's for the same price or maybe few dolars more I am very interested and grateful. Thanks again for the help! PS: I seen in the sellers market on the site security camera supply is selling this, which i think is better then the camera's above? CNB DFL-20S Dome Camera (Black) - 600TVL - 3.8mm Lens - AGC, BLC - 85mm Dome Size - 3 Year Warranty Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WRS_Mark 0 Posted December 12, 2009 One of the issues you might encounter with switching from Windows 7 to XP is that drivers may not be available for the PC you specified above to operate with XP. From what I read on the GV 800 data sheet: http://www.geovision.com.tw/upload/en/Datasheet_800.pdf , Windows 7 is not supported. Again, it probably wouldn't hurt to find a local PC builder who you could hand off the sheet and the card to and have that person put together a custom device that will work for you running XP to begin with. It just removes having to deal with a lot of experimentation. Depending on where you are located -in a major city it is easy to find someone if you ask around, you should be able to find a good place to deal with that will build something you will be happy with for not a lot of money. If you're looking for cameras and you are living in North America, I like these ones: http://www.cctvwholesalers.com/product.php?productid=16167&cat=306&page=1 . They are a basic dome camera without IR, which is something you probably will not need to catch shoplifters anyway, but they deliver a much better, sharper picture than their specs would indicate. I'm in Canada and get them sent to me from New Orleans, which is a pain in the hindquarters because of shipping time and dealing with customs, but they have never failed me. 'Nuf said. Ask for Tom. Good luck with your build. I hope it works out really well for you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LQ1985 0 Posted December 12, 2009 Thank you again, Your right I will find a local computer builder so i just dont end up buying something which causes more headache. I really do need some IF camera's for night just for theft issues any you suggest. I will check that site out. What do you think about those in the market place i just posted by i think same vendor? Also: Geovision DVR Cards - GV 800 (120 FPS) $564 or NUUO SCB-3008, 8 Channel DVR Card, 120 FPS $375 sale* OR NUUO SCB-5008 8 Channel DVR Card, 240FPS $624 sale* ($60 more then the geo but double FPS more bang for the buck? One a better quality or easier to setup vice versa? or less ones with problems? Also: I need help with picking out camera's for my shop. Need: -8 Dome Camera's ( 3 has to be IR capable, and one of them has to be exterior proof) (Remaining 5 can be regular color) This is what im considering now, im open to any options/comments or recommendations you guys have. If the outdoors, seem better then the indoors, i can just buy all outdoors and use inside. For the IR camera's Indoor: http://www.cctvwholesalers.com/product.php?productid=16167&cat=306&page=1 http://cnbtec.com/en/html/product/product.php?seqx_prod=1083 http://www.apexcctv.com/p-46-ir-dome-security-camera.aspx http://www.2mcctv.com/product_info-SecurityCameras-DomeCameras-VeiluxSVD48MINI.html The Outdoor IR choices: http://www.2mcctv.com/product_info-SecurityCameras-DayNightInfrared-2MCCTV2MB50IR21.html http://www.apexcctv.com/p-50-vandal-resistant-weatherproof-ir-dome-security-camera.aspx http://www.supercircuits.com/Security-Cameras/Dome-Security-Cameras/CD33W http://www.cctvwholesalers.com/product.php?productid=16824&cat=306&page=1 http://www.2mcctv.com/product_info-SecurityCameras-DayNightInfraredDome-VeiluxSVD48IR28.html Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
