ptzguy

hi richmond,

can you post the exact dimensions including depth, i may be able to get you one.

ptzguy

yes, i cant stress enough using internet explorer to dial into dvr's can save you time and effort.

looking at the web app login screen this is an everfocus dvr904(or similar generic dvr)...

the 3 ports that are assigned on the dvr i serviced recently are as follows

http 8100

media 9000

mobile 15619

g'luck

or is it a 7 segment lcd, like this:

[attachment=0]Monochrome-LCD-Display.jpg[/attachment]

 

try changing the angle of your camera. make the camera look straight at it, not looking down like it seems to be in your pic.

I have installed an IR dome looking onto the thermostat of a freezer in an abatoir. The display is a 7 segment LCD and looks fine level-on but about 45degrees to one side(the IR is deflected away from the cam). The IR shows what the Thermostat dial is set to.

Here was my brainwave - if the temperature rises above zero degrees the minus(-) sign will disappear... If the minus sign disappears(obviously a problem with the freezer) the DVR's motion detection is activated... The DVR sends the owner an email... His email provider sends him the email and an SMS text - great eh? Not just a pretty face!!!

Is it possible to add a 2nd NVR via a VPN??

Is it just a case of plugging the VPN into the switcher and configuring the software and network settings on the 2nd NVR identical to the existing NVR??

Anybody tried this? The set-up in question is Axis.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

BUMP

hi marvelusmarvcus,

I've done plenty of warehouses and installs similar to what you're describing so i hope i can be of assistance here.

we could do with finding out more specifics like where the actual cameras and dvr are going, is there a network between the 3 buildings? is there any ducting between buildings??

if all the cams are going on or near to the exterior 'shell' of the building i'd run a 25pair utp around the building(depending on the amount of cams needed) and tail-off to each cam from that allowing 25cams to be installed with just 1 major cable pull. most of the modern warehouses have purlins(secondary steels) that run right around the perimeter of the building allowing you to hide all your cables.

doing cabling this way will allow you to install a psu 'past' cams that have been tailed-off because the pair have been used to take video back to the dvr...

i.e. PSU w/grn --> CAMERA w/grn --> DVR w/grn

alternatively, and i've seen it done before, run a poop loada rg59's and install inline amps half way for the long runs(you will definately need 1 for anything over say 400m). colour loss will occur when you exceed ~400m

try to get power at camera source, it'll save any headache regarding possible voltage drop.

you will need 2 baluns per cam, or if you wanted to do a real neat job at the head-end you can buy a balun rack(can be pricey though), it will keep the rear of the dvr nice and neat, tidier still if theres a rack/cabinet

word of warning - watch out for heavy power cables, groundloop isolators can be helpful but not 100% effective if your cables run near 3phase etc. you may have to buy shielded cat5.

do a thorough site survey and the job should go well, be interesting, 'pay-off' and be rewarding once it's complete!

where in the world are you anyway marvelusmarvcus?!

g'luck.

Hi Guys..

 

I've got an odd DVR issue that you maybe able to assist me with (I hope).

 

OK, so I'll take you through this step by step...I've set a static IP address 192.168.2.50 on the DVR and the router I have forwarded port 4481 (random, have tried many others) - I have a Belkin router, set virtual server inbound port to 4481 TCP & UDP 4481 as the private port as the portforward site suggests and I've set the DVR web port to 4481 also.

 

DDNS has been setup and working fine on the router.

 

OK so internally (http://192.168.2.50:4481) it works fine using Internet Explorer - all works internally with the software as you'd expect. Now - it works externally if I use an mobile phone application (IP Viewer for Android) and when I use the shocking "Video Server E" software externally, it works fine. When I attempt to view it via the web...it just tries to connect but eventually bombs out. This happens regardless of browser used, IE, Firefox etc. I've tried several different ports and tested them all using the DYNDNS port scanner - they always appear open - even port 80. I tried adding the IP address of the DVR to the DMZ - still the same problem.

 

Any suggestions would be just grand!

 

Many Thanks!

 

Danny

ok, what do you mean by 'bombs out' danny??

ive had issues with the kpd678, some things you might want to try/check;

1. change http port to either 82, 90, 91, 5400, 8000, 8100 or 9000(open port in router too and check it is open with canyouseeme.org or similar)

2. turn router firewall down to 'low'

3. stick with using internet explorer(it HAS to be IE7 or above) - forget firefox and the others

4. using the static ip address from inside the network will not work, get a friend to dial in externally

5. in internet explorer of the pc you're trying to dial in from go to tools -> internet options -> security -> internet security settings -> set to 'low to middle'... in the same menu go to trusted sites -> uncheck https box and add as a trusted site

6. again, in internet options -> tools -> advanced -> check these boxes; allow active content to run in files on my computer, allow software to run or install even if signature is invalid, use ssl3, use tls1

let me know how you get on.

g'luck

You could try emailing or telephoning Colin from the Everfocus tech support team(hey, that's what he's paid for!) colin.w@everfocus.com

I sold my 3 year old 8 channel Aposonic to a friend last week and I have a new 16 channel Aposonic A-S1604R4 being delivered today.

 

I really like these due to the fact I can view the cameras with Internet Explore, Firefox or smart phones.

 

Since I use Firefox I dont need the software that comes with it.

 

Here is the manufactures info. http://www.aposoniccctv.com/index.php/standalone/16chdvr/85

The down side to your new DVR 34Ford is that the best recording resolution is 2CIF and it's also set to 4 recording levels(best, high, medium, low).

When purchasing DVR's I look for D1 resolution and a bitrate that I can enter my own value i.e D1@1024Mbps.

Also, many DVR's have an embedded net viewer these days but more often than not they require Internet Explorer 7 or above, I haven't seen one that works with Mozilla Firefox or Google Chrome etc. Maybe I'm wrong. I haven't heard of Aposonic but I hope it's what you wanted.

As for the choice of DVR's lowpro I can't really advise as I'm way way across the pond and we have different suppliers/manufacturers. You can't however, go wrong with Samsung but then again are you realy going to get one for $700??

Hey I like torches!

You'll find this on my head on a day-to-day basis

You'll find this in the side compartment of my Snickers

You'll find this one in my toy box

I use this one to keep ships at bay

And this is the sun that shines out of my a$$

I remember spending the best part of an afternoon trying to set up and test the motion detection on an AvTech, like the one you mentioned, LS, TS, SS, RE... and guess what, the weather was sunny/cloudy!

I think I set them to 7,7,2,10... but my problem was that if somebody moved right on the edge of the cameras view it didnt trigger the motion det. ...it's coming to a happy medium with what you're willing to compromise with! Obviously your circumstances will be different to mine but try 7,7,2,10.

G'luck.

Hello yall.

 

I run two 4 camera cctv systems

 

One is for my Taxi

 

This one has died due to the camera cables being ripped back.

 

DVR is Nikkai N57FU...I have the manuals in PDF for this if anyone wants.

 

I would be very interested in any experience with repairers and any recomendations?

 

Thanx

Hi Archbishop,

can you upload a couple of photo's so we can see the extent of the damage, was the unit powered up when this happened?? Did the power arc out onto the shell of the DVR??

What about a Bosch MIC400IR??

180ft(60m) IR Range, 18x(470TVL) or 36x(530TVL) optical zoom(112x digital), etc etc

I can safely say this camera does its job, and it does it well.

A snap at around £4k and hey, if the customer has a seizure when you tell him the price just do a 'Soundy' and walk away!

Or... why not go the full hog and offer them 1 of these babies? Sure to knock his socks off then walk away with your tail(bone) between your legs!!!

Joke guys, no offense intended!

Hey Stoogman,

when you have time please can you send me the default port #'s for the Eneo, here is a thread I posted a while back regarding an odd Eneo DVR but nobody replied.

Also, I take it the website worked with the Eneo??

Many thanks in advance.

Thanks Rory, an insight into how other countries were dealing with taxes/shipping etc is much appreciated, after all it determines the overall cost of equipment. I suppose I'm fortunate enough to be able to import gear and pass that saving onto the customer. ...Thats all I wanted to know really, how we got onto buying and selling sh!te I don't know, you could say I'm on the customers side, I couldn't rip anybody off point blank, I won't leave site until the customer is 100% happy.

I just turned down my first budget job today for an apartment in the ghetto, and this might become a trend now - $200 or so labour is not worth getting shot for

True, true.

The way I go about it(again I'm open to pot-shots from forum users!), I import equipment(quality equipment) I know no-one else in the country can beat me on price, so I'll bump up the price, let the customer think they're getting a bargain with the install/labour cost and that's how I work the magic. My motto is "like-for-like I won't be beaten on price" and it works for me.

Close your mouth, grit your teeth and look at the price of CCTV gear in Ireland. ...but then again that's what I was asking in the 1st place, some countries are charging way over the odds for gear and I wanted to get a feel for overseas prices.

3xlogic - that's the way forward!!

most of the analogue DVR's on the market bring the frame rate down to 6fps @D1, so, according to Aztech's statement you wouldn't be saving any HDD space by switching from CIF @25fps.. yet we all know the visual benefits of D1...

what is the price bracket of these 3xlogic DVR's??

In fact I may end up just providing technical support instead for it, let them or someone else install that stuff, besides ANYONE can really install that, they get stuck when it comes to the DVR and remote video.

There's a couple of electricians in Dublin that can, so-so, install CCTV, yet they ask me to network DVR's, train the customers to operate the DVR's and train them up on the network viewing because it is 'beyond them'. 150euro for an hours work, nice.

The service contracts also bring money in every month, again it's money for nothing.

Just noticed that this thread is entitled 'Old People Fighting', perhaps we should rename it 'Old Installers ***ing'! lol!

THANKS RORY!!! The kind of answer I was looking for!

...and just to go back a couple of steps, the customer is always made aware of they can spend '£50 on a camera or £5k'.

'Practicality' guys do you know what the word means??

The whole point of this post was to get the author a feeling of what cams/dvr's are out there for the job in mind, not a big slagging match between those that install 'nothing but the best' and those who 'tender for the customers budget and needs'!

I buy those 520TVL cams because of 1 purpose - they are as good as any other 520TVL internal cam out there(that I have worked with anyway), and that's why I purchase them! I have 20-20 spot-on vision, I like my cams to be the same. I'll stand by my IR Labs 520TVL Internal Dome because I know they give me a good picture, I paid £150 for a Samsung SDC425P, Sens up, HLC, WDR, SSNR... hey the picture is good - just as good as the IR Labs at £50! so who's the fool??

In a nursing home(plenty of them I have fitted out cctv) you'll find the corridor lights are on 24/7 so what do you need?? BLC maybe and thats about it!! Ultimately you need to see clearly down the corridors, this is where i tested various internal box cams... and do you know what? the IR Labs @£50 came up trumps yet again!

I know for a fact that if I had used Samsung cams all round I wouldn't have got the installs in the first place. So do I make money or mince-off with the tail between the legs? My bread and butter.

I don't want to fall out with any of you guys, I'm new to the forum but feel I'm having the pi$$ taken out of me here, sorta like bullying.

I just wanted to get a price comparison of the products you guys have in the US/CA, if it's not you're price range of products you purchase/install then tell me what you install and what, roughly, it costs you, or just observe..

Tired, headache, signing off.

Hi all,

as my desktop is littered with file players for numerous different DVR's I'm looking for a free 'one4all' that will play all the common file types(mpeg4, avi etc etc)???

Also, I believe H.264 compression utilizes HDD space better than mpeg4, if that's the case why are DVR's still being manufactured that use the mpeg4 format? what are the pro's and con's??

You're missing the point here entirely Soundy...

What would you install? or are you here just to criticise everybody's comments and opinions??

We would all like 'Samsung this' and 'Sony that' but it's got to be practical, do you really think a 'run of the mill' nursing home is going to spend 5, 6 or 7k on 8 cams and a DVR designed by NASA?!?

 

I must say that Soundy is giving you sound advice, especially for what monetary value you are paying for it. I'm with him, install the proper equipment the right way the first time and charge accordingly. If your potential customer starts barking about your pricing in the proposal than you know this customer isn't right for you. When you start compromising and negotiating with a potential customer you have already signed your death sentence as this will ultimately bite you in the ass. Leave the hack jobs to the low-ballers and make your money by employing disaster recover cleaning up their mess. When I get a bad feeling about a potential customer I don't fight that feeling I put my tail between my legs and run like a scalded dog.

Another one missing the point entirely, so what would you install and how much would it cost Tailbone???

Ireland and the UK are currently in a deep recession, not many shopping malls being constructed, not many large companies requiring a complete overhaul of existing systems.

Ask any rep/salesman in the security industry and they'll tell you the same thing over and over - too many companies competing for too little jobs... it's dog eat dog over here at the moment, and Tailbone my friend your tail would be forever between your legs.

I remember quoting jobs and itemising 200quid for this 200 quid for that 2k for this 2k for that...

these days you scrape 20euro off this, 50euro off that, do that at cost but make a little there - and you're still being told to 'fvck-off' 30 times a day.

PEOPLE DO NOT HAVE THE MONEY TO THROW AROUND ANYMORE, all that went with the celtic tiger, those that do have the money are still keeping a close eye on their wallet.

So, what would you install at what price Tailbone? - bearing in mind you would be massively outpriced and never get the job anyway!!

You're missing the point here entirely Soundy...

What would you install? or are you here just to criticise everybody's comments and opinions??

We would all like 'Samsung this' and 'Sony that' but it's got to be practical, do you really think a 'run of the mill' nursing home is going to spend 5, 6 or 7k on 8 cams and a DVR designed by NASA?!?

...and for your information 'entry level' does not mean cheap, nor does it mean buying the sh!te you see on ebay for pence, it means the basic, practical system required to do 'the job'. When a customer wants to see who's coming in and out of a doorway clearly, thats what he wants, he doesnt want to pay for equipment that will show and count the hairs on their a$$es!!

So... all that said what would you install?

Samsung SDC425's @$150??

Avermedia DVR $1500??

It's been said here many, many times: TVL is only a fraction of the "camera quality" equation, and frankly, it's been "fudged" and abused so much by cheap offshore manufacturers, it's nearly meaningless. I could show you even mid-grade 420TVL cameras that blow the doors off cheap-cheap 600TVL cameras under *all* conditions, not just with "perfect" lighting.

 

You get what you pay for in this business; that's a fact.

I agree with that statement Soundy too true. That's why we buy the products we know and trust and get repeat business as a result.

So, it's you doing the install Soundy, the customer wants an entry level system with clear pictures but there is a tight budget, there's quotes already in from other firms. What are you buying and for how much Soundy??

If it works, dont need 3 year warranty or tech support.

Also 520TVL is old now, should be at least 550+ if only for the other new features.

My customers often ask about aftersales, 3yr warranty and tech support sounds appealling to them especially when there's cowboys out there that give little or no aftersales support. Alot of customers feel at ease with an annual service contract, spending a day dusting down cameras and checking the health of a couple of HDD's is money for nothing!

Also a camera at £50 with 520TVL's is, in my opinion, good value for money and practical for the job in mind. If cost wasn't an issue 600TVL cams would be installed(with all the 'mod cons' and features), but then again if we all had a bottomless pit of money wouldn't we all have PTZ IP systems?!

If you read my posts guys you will know where I buy most of my gear, visit their website for all the spec's and info of the cams mentioned if you wish, I just wanted to compare prices without going to deep into it, thats all.

The cams are IR Labs with Sony CCD's(Chinese), good colour depth, I find Korean CCD's quite 'cold', bland and pale looking when it comes to internal applications. I havent heard of CNN or Speco or CNB etc, but then again we're miles apart.

Dont quote me on this but this looks like the interns of PIR covert cam, 3.6mm fixed lens, 6 IR's.

Is the board about 1 1/2" x 2 1/2"??