minni1986
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Just as a followup in case other people are interested, LTS now sells a RS232-to-IP converter that will allow you to hook up a POS easily to any LTS NVR that supports the POS function.http://www.ltsecurityinc.com/accessory-ethernet-tcp-ip-converter.html
LTS DVRs/NVRs also have a smart search function now that allows you to search the video clips by transaction and view the playback clip of said transaction.
Basically the same thing as I showed on amazon, and i'm sure LTS will be charging more then Amazon
But thanks
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Can't really help with regards to Gilbarco and your NVR but was curious if you actually don't mindthe text overlaying your video in your previous post example of it running. Seems to be that would
get in the way of an video evidence needed.
My text does not overlay the video, fore-say, rather it is a file that is opened when I select to see the POS data on the video. Basically when the POS outputs the POS data, it sent out as ".xml" (i believe) and then stored on the NVR.
Also, if you continue to have any issues with pos capturing or can't get the Gilbarco to work youmight want to check out http://www.gulfcoastsoftware.com who i knows can capture your two pos systems
with their solution and they have an integration application to avigilon if you wanted an easier to use head end.
I know how to use avigilon, however the issue I am having is that i do not know how to properly configure or connect to the Gilbarco system. Previously, you would split the wire from the customer output and connect that to your camera system. However, I know that you can now do it through the network. I am wondering what would be the configurations for this or where would i connect to get the proper data.
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I am having an Issue connecting a Gilbarco Passport to output POS so i can receive it on an IP/NVR system.
I have previously had gotten a Wayne Nucleus to connect.
Here is my previous post:
If you guys could help get me started, that would be great or point me to the right direction
I'll try to keep updating this post as i learn more so it would help others
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Hi. We do a lot of pos and gilbarco systems ( both pos and pump management)You will find it much easier to use the existing internal network to capture the text.
Each cash register is already sending the text data back to back office ( as stock control) which is still to much info for using as text overlay but if you go on the back office PC and do IP config and search pos term all cash registers will show ... Write down each IP address it will show for each.
Then go to management service on the pos back office then network and look for port out ..... Look at each IP you written down and look for port 5551 ( cash register1) 5552 ( cash register2)
This will give you the same text as recept to customer and these are the IP and address you should use on each camera on your hik NVR
Also on gilbarco pump management it has alarm outputs which can be sent to a PTZ camera .... When pump 1 is started PTZ will turn to is or pump 4 .... Capture every pump which starts and this will also show on transaction ( if pump start is on registers)
Hey thanks for the information.
I dont know exactly what back office is. From what i understand it is a software used on a computer to see reports and other register information? If that is the case, then these stations do not have Back office.
The stations are going to update their registers soon as well. From what i hear, it will be much easier to setup the POS with NVR systems.
I'll probably PM you in the future when they update their registers because i'm willing to learn a lot more about this.
thanks again
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Can you search by transaction though?The NVR I am using allows you to search by transaction.
I haven't played with it much, but it seems it has to be perfect word for word, spaces and all, or it gives you a lot of different transactions.
Since this is a gas station, if you find the receipt in the register history, it has the transaction number. Inputting that number will take you right to the transaction.
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Either method works
for the first method using three different NVR would be great because no framerate loss, unless you have an unlimited budget and willing to spending more. it is almost cheaper to buy 3 seprate NVRs
the second method would work, just run basically only one cat5e/6 wire and make sure to POE 1000/gigabit switches.
As mentioned by GH75, you could link all the NVR to view in one central spot, this is the benefits of IP
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Hey guys,
sorry for the late reply but, i have figured out a solution, sorry i'll kinda walk you through it and the parts i have used.
Registers I am using:
Works pretty well with Wayne Nucleus, text isn't great, but that is due to Nucleus output
have some issues with Gilbarco, not working at the moment.
RS232 to IP Server:
Either one of these worked, I bought them from Amazon, I recommend going with the cheaper one since they do the same thing
http://www.startech.com/Networking-IO/Serial-over-IP/1-port-RS232-serial-over-ip-adapter~NETRS2321P
http://www.startech.com/Networking-IO/Serial-over-IP/rs232-serial-device-server~NETRS232
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I have bought a NVR from LTS:
LTN8832-P16
It is a 32 channel NVR. Basically it is Hikivision OEM resold off as another company name on it.
set the RS232-to-IP IP address, and port, which then i adjusted the Router to port forward the used port
(IP: 192.168.0.201 Port: 8201)
Adjusted settings for RS232-to-IP, check out following added picture
Adjusted NVR POS to "TCP Receive" to same port as RS232-to-IP (Port: 8201)
As you can see it works!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There are a couple problems with this method, which isn't really the RS232-to-IP issue, rather issue with registers and NVR
First issue, if you notice from my picture of the POS, you will see it shows a lot of useless information, this is because the register is sending all this data, which i dont need. I dont know about HEX editing and all to remove that useless data
Second issue is with the NVR. I'm not sure if it is only with this NVR or others, but you can only view one camera when you want to see the POS. It doesn't engrave the POS into the video, rather saves it as separate file. this will cause issues if you are trying to playback a video and want to watch multiple cameras, because the NVR didn't allow this, only allowed me to watch that one camera with POS.
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Most likely it's your firewall or you will have to port forward your port.
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Guys guys guys,
the only way to settle this now is to find LTS NVRs and then add Hikvision firmware on them.
Let the games begin
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We have used these before and tapped the POS to Printer DB9 cable.Hey thanks,
But i don't have an issue retrieving data from the POS, its just sending the data over to the NVR.
Wayne nucleus actually has an option to see each key stroke from the employees rather then just a regular receipt. This is more helpful for the owners to see if certain transactions are voided or if the employees are charging the wrong amounts.
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Hey thanks guys,
Yeah i figured i'll just order the Hikvision NVRs, didn't want to void warranty and all that mess
not worth losing my money to test out something for someone else.
But i do have an older LTS NVR i might try as a last option.
TheUberOverLord -
Definitely will take note of. But Hikvision has already configured their NVRs with firmware offering more POS options for a while now. LTS has not been able to upgrade their own yet; so, who knows when LTS will consider adding this into their new firmware.
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Here some addition information is anyone is interested as well.
The POS/registers have an output using RS232. i had then purchased an I/O server from RS232 to IP.
Server:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00LJEQLR2?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00
This allowed me to use my laptop and hyperterminal to see the transactions on the register using the local internet connection. I was also able to see the transactions from my home.
I believe Hikvision allows 'TCP listen' on their NVRs. Basically you can input the IP servers address and port, allowing the NVR to connect to the POS.
I have not tried this out as of now, i have put an order in for the Hikvision NVR. I will follow up as soon a I find out.
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I have seen that also, but I wanted more information on how well it actually works, vs company just showing you
But thanks
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Can you explain how you got Hikivison firmware installed on LTS camera?
LTS NVR are not configured properly to run POS. I had called LTS on this issue and they came out and said they have no idea on how to make it work properly and their firmware isn't for it.
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I would imagine that the 4mp would be much better in detail and provide more clarity. But remember that more megapixel doesn't always mean quality.
Regradless, it comes down to if you want to spend that much more money.
Also to note, the new cameras will use up much more hard drive space, and require more bandwidth.
So the expense of new cameras, vs a good reliable system you have is more in factor. Since you have working HD cameras as is, your quality for the money probably wont be worth it, unless you have extra cash to spend.
Best of luck on your decision.
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Has any one been successful installing Hikvision firmware on LTS cameras or NVR?
I understand that Hikvision is OEM for the cameras/NVR and LTS will install their own firmware on them.
Has anyone been able to sucessfully accomplish this?
When i take an Hikvision firmware of the exact same camera of LTS, it will just say wrong firmware.
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LTS admitts their POS is not well made and has a lot of issues. I am looking at Hikvision as of now. hopefully it will work better
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What i did with my Hikvision cameras is the following:
I'm using a Hikvision NVR as well to note, so that way i can connect directly to the NVR using my phone rather then each camera:
Each camera uses a static IP address:
192.168.0.101 first camera
192.168.0.102 second camera and so on
Each Camera i had left the HTTP port at 80, much easier to access using a browser (firefox recommended by me)
RSTP and HTTPS ports left alone
I had changed each server port, basically made them correspond to the IP address
Camera 1: IP: 192.168.0.101 Server Port: 8101
Camera 2: IP: 192.168.0.102 Server Port: 8102
I had also disabled all other options:
DDNS, PPPoE, SNMP, and so on
I also disabled UPnP and Nat (Port Mapping) also. This was because i was using the NVR to directly connect to the cameras. I noticed this also improved speed/response time and picture quality of the camera.
On your PC you should find what your server port is
then in your router Port forward the Server port
then use a website such as http://portchecker.co/canyouseeme to see if the port is open
Since youre also using a PC, check and make sure the port is open with your firewall
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I have a couple convenient stores to run new wiring for IP cameras. I am having a couple different issues connecting the POS and was wondering what the best solution for me as of now.
Registers:
-Wayne Nucleus
-Gilbarco Passport
The register right now have DVR connected with AVR systems that integrate the POS into the camera screen. But i am trying to change the systems to IP cameras with NVR systems. Each store has 2 registers each, and i see that the NVR can only connect one RS232 Port. so can only get one register connected.
I was wondering about IP POS systems? how would i go about this?
My other option is getting iVMS 5200, which i am learning to configure as of now.
As of now i have:
LTS CMIP7442W-28M - 4.1MP Cameras
http://www.ltsecurityinc.com/ip-camera/ip-dome/cmip7442w-28m.html
LTS LTN8832-P16 - NVR
http://www.ltsecurityinc.com/nvr/embedded-nvr/ltn8832-p16.html
The IP cameras i have learned are equivalent to Hikivision 4MP DS-2CD2142FWD-IS IP cameras, and the NVR, is equivalent to Hikivision DS-7716NI-SP/16.
http://overseas.hikvision.com/us/Products_accessries_10531_i7563.html
http://overseas.hikvision.com/us/Products_accessries_10649_i8679.html
THANK YOU GUYS FOR ANY HELP
IP cameras and POS system
in IP/Megapixel Cameras and Software Solutions
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If you look at my original photos, you will see I have this same issue. Only way I believe we can fix this is using a HEX editor. This would require a whole new hardware design. This would be completely out of my reach.
Also wanted to let everyone know that you can now view multiple cameras and still have POS overlay on LTS. However again, it doesn't allow a perfect solution. Also you can hook up multiple registers to view multiple POS using the same NVR.