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  1. If you want something easy to install and use that is super reliable with great support I recommend Avigilon. Use Avigilon cameras with there VMS for easy to manage solution.

     

    If you are looking to integrate access control and alarms and you want some really cool advanced features Genetec has a great solution. Axis and Bosch work really well with Genetec.


  2. I tried Avigilon and found it's UI to be very unusual. It's not like it's unworkable; it's just not what you'd expect. The way it boxes various cameras on the screen seemed pretty unintuitive based on my experience but it did work. Perhaps, over time, I would get used to the UI and even understand the value in why they built the UI the way they did. The problem I had was that it still used more CPU than the best of what I tried but it took everything I threw at it in the way of cameras and demand on those cameras without missing a beat. I was impressed enough that I was about to buy it but I had just a couple questions before I made the commitment. Since I was using the trial version, neither Avigilon nor the dealers would help to answer my question. That proved to me that I would continue to get poor service. As a home user, once I bought the app once they have no expectation to ever get any more money from me so why would they care to support me? I took them off my list.

     

    Interesting feedback. For your future reference Avigilon offers FREE 24/7 phone support to dealers and end users. Most other VMS platforms do not offer this or they charge a lot of money to access support. Avigilon's support is very good and will answer any questions you have.

     

    When it comes to professional VMS software Avigilon is very light on CPU resources including the both the client and server side of the software. We have one system with 230 camera streams coming into one server and the CPU is less than 20% utilization.

     

    As far as the UI we and our customers find it is very intuitive to the point where most customer don't even need training to start viewing live and recorded video. When you start showing customers some of the advanced tools on how you can search days/weeks/months of recorded video for people and vehicles only and get this results in seconds they are always impressed. If you have any specific questions I will do by best to answer them as time allows.


  3. You can purchase from any Avigilon dealer like the wireguys or ak357 and yes it does support Hiks IP Cameras along with motion detection.

    Thanks, but neither of them will respond.

     

    Any other options?

     

    I checked my inbox and I don't have any messages from you. I really hate turning business down but we are slammed with installs right now so I would recommend working with another Avigilon partner like AK357 for this project.


  4. Thanks very much for the recommendation, I will check it out.

    Yes I am fully aware that these cams can be accessed over the Internet. But I would just like something a bit old school where I feel I have a modicum of control over this and prefer if that was as a result of me deciding that that is what I want to configure, via port forwarding etc.

    So many of the consumer "home security" IP camera reviews I have seen scare me by starting out with "first you simply create an account at http://mycamcloudaccessblah.com and register your device and download the app, both of which is a prerequisite, and from then on setup is suuuper simple and your recordings are automatically stored in the cloud, so long as you keep up your subscription".

    I just want a camera that is on my home network only, until I want to enable it to be accessible from anywhere else. I don't want to have to worry about the security of the website of the company I purchased it from.

     

    Axis, Mobotix, Avigilon,Samsung, Bosch, will all do what you want.


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    You need to stop bragging about how many you install. I learned long ago that volume does not imply skill or quality. Like I said, many installing are installing 700tvl cameras, more than you, doesnt mean they are doing it properly. You obviously are comparing a homerun system to a multi node system. How dumb is that. Based on your comments I would not trust you to install a doorbell. If YOUR ip solutions are so unreliable then you need to look at yourself not blame the technology.

     

    Spoken like a true professional Boogieman you make me laugh. " title="Applause" />


  6. Right back at you. You are purpose misleading - the worst kind of agenda driven offender. Comparing service to a complex multinode system to a plug and play NVR. Wow. How low will you go to promote your garbage

     

    We install more IP cameras in one week then you install in a year and have experience with every major VMS and IP video camera on the market not just chinese government owned small 4 camera systems. You really need to understand what you are talking about and understand how IP video works before you "brag" about how reliable IP is over analog/HD analog/TVI/CVI/HD-SDI.


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    You do realize that those POE embedded NVRs have network switched built into them and they use IP to transport video from the camera to the NVR?

     

    One of my largest customers still uses analog/HD analog for live view monitor because it is more reliable. They have figured this out because they have 1100+ IP cameras for recording and 100+ analog cameras for live viewing only. We service the IP system a lot more then the analog/HD analog.

    Yes and they rarely if ever fail. Not any more chance than an analog DVR failing. Simply stating that you service the IP system more often is meaningless are that system is obviously not a 4-8ch home run to an NVR..we know nothing about its components or how it was setup.

     

    The more you argue this you worse you look.


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    I respect that you have some IP cameras in the field but frankly I have single customers with significantly more cameras than you have installed. IP transport is more complicated than analog/TVI/CVI,HD-SDI you can try to argue differently but you are wrong.

    Dont really care how many you installed. You are wrong. There are lots of duchebag installers implementing 700tvl systems in 2016, and they install many more cameras than I do, doesnt make it right. Shame on them all. You have your own reasons for pushing analog. Point is IP is just as reliable is analog, even more so, with a simple sd card. You mention all the irrelevant network jargon to conflate the issue. This is a 4ch install, homerun to the NVR, none of the nonsense you mention is remotely relevant. Anyone recommending analog over ip because its more reliable is deliberately misleading the end user here.

     

    You do realize that those POE embedded NVRs have network switched built into them and they use IP to transport video from the camera to the NVR?

     

    One of my largest customers still uses analog/HD analog for live view monitor because it is more reliable. They have figured this out because they have 1100+ IP cameras for recording and 100+ analog cameras for live viewing only. We service the IP system a lot more then the analog/HD analog.


  9. You should really understand that simply because someone has more processors and chips it doesnt mean that it has a higher failure rate. Its really that simple. The fact that you correlate possible failure points with actual reliability and failures is very troubling. Daryl simple made up stats. What a bunch of nonsense.

    Analog is not more reliable. Its is pushed by those who want to make more profit. You bring up irrelevant nonsense like vm's, san and fiber when OP is dealing with a 4ch system. Really?? You dont need any of these. Stop making crap up and read the OP. Its really not that difficult.

    Anyone pushing analog in 2016 (except in rare special circumstances) is cheating the end user. Unfortunately, members here push analog because they work for companies that sell mostly analog in installers who install mostly analog. Shame on them.

    Also your statement about ip cameras having more "moving parts" is false and makes no sense. The fact that you bring up networks/switches etc, when we are dealing with a 4ch system questions your motives. Really sad and unfortunate that you are pushing analog in 2016...guess whatever pays the bills.

     

    I have hundreds of dahua and hikvision cameras in service.

     

    I respect that you have some IP cameras in the field but frankly I have single customers with significantly more cameras than you have installed. IP transport is more complicated than analog/TVI/CVI,HD-SDI you can try to argue differently but you are wrong.


  10. What you are saying is COMPLETE nonsense. I cant recall the last time I had to reboot an ip camera...What you are saying is only true of crap cameras. You make up probability numbers. STOP IT. You said that NVR/DVR cal lock up? what happens to all your footage when the dvr locks up? you have NONE. If you had an ip camera with SD card storage or a second cheap hidden NVR as a backup, guess what?

    Your statement that IP is less reliable is FALSE. In fact, i have just shown you how it can be MORE reliable.

    Your entire premise is based on using crap cameras with poorly written firmware...what garbage...its folks like you who have no clue that mislead others....just as you did in the other post recommending garbage wifi cameras.

     

    Boogieman you should really do a little research about electronics and to understand how IP video vs analog works before you bash people and call them stupid. You should completely dissemble single camera analog system and a single camera NVR/switch/IP camera system. Count how many chips there between the two and report back. IP is more complex then analog so there ARE more failure points. It is very simple.

     

    Now IP video is more flexible and allows you to build in redundancy but that comes as a huge cost. You can setup VM based NVRs, SAN storage, fiber rings with redundant switches but this comes at a huge cost and and adds a significant amount of complexity.


  11. You can beg to differ all you want. I have seen you give improper advice in other threads here. I honestly think you dont know what you are talking about and make it up as you go. You statement that there are more points of failure in an ip system is FALSE. Its made up. You need to stop spewing this nonsense.

    Take for example an IP system that is homerun to the NVR, how are there more points of failure????????????? First error.

    In fact, IP systems can be made much MORE reliable than analog (SD card redundancy, multiple NVR redundancy/hidden (much easier to implement than multiple dvrs). It sucks when amateurs give advice to unsuspecting end users.

     

    Boogieman your the one giving bad advice here. IP can be very reliable but there is many more moving parts then analog/hd analog to go wrong.

     

    With IP cameras you have video processing, encoding and network card. Analog only has video processing as the encoding is done at the DVR. Once you have the video encoded on a IP camera then you have to dump that info on a network so now you have switches, routers, media converts, wireless links, network cards, ex.... Once you get the servers now you have to deal with Windows and everything else that can go wrong with a server.

     

    IP camera systems have more moving parts then their analog counter parts so there is absolutely more failure points.


  12. Great questions!

     

    A SAN (Storage area network) is normally used to expand storage for cameras in large IP/CCTV systems. The NVR/Server will handle the recording and use a SAN to store the video. Most SANs consists of iSCSI and Fiber Channel Storage. iSCSI is a IP based storage networking standard which allows you to use IP networks for a transport. It is like a NAS but provides block level access. FCP (Fiber Channel Storage) allows you to connect your NVRS/Servers to SAN units via fiber.

     

    Having deployed both iSCSI and FCP for large projects I would recommend FCP as is faster and more reliable.

     

    Also Bosch cameras can connect directly to SAN storage from the cameras. https://us.boschsecurity.com/us_product/05_news_and_extras_2/01_productnews_2/03_productnews_video_1/bosch_video_recording_manager/video_recording_manager

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