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Just wanted to get some advice on equipment/vms for a large scale 250+ IP camera system with redundancy and up to 10 workstations. Our company does large commercial properties, schools, hospitals etc. but has a bid opportunity in the casino industry that we'd love to explore. We've recently contacted companies like Genetec/Indigovision for solutions. Just thought I'd see if anyone here has additional advice. Thank you

Well ive found that there are literally no vendors for this only end sellers...every company Ive talked to (Seon, Fortress Mobile, etc) basically want to sell/install themselves and really dont want anything to do with an integration company...pretty ridiculous that we'd have to take our chances with alibaba to be able to offer our customers something like this hmm

Been searching for awhile now for a vehicle recorder that supports 2-4 HD cameras (at least 720p), gps tracking, and 4g live viewing capabilities. Have a few companies interested in adding cameras to their fleet of trucks and surprised at how hard it is to find a decent product like this without knowing how to read Chinese. Surely someone has found a solution like this...i dont think not having the cell remote viewing would be a deal breaker just mainly having the gps with some kind of cms software to live track the vehicles/view offloaded video via wifi. Any help would be great

I have several smaller scale IP cam installs completed but never had a project that would require 2 switches/long distances. They need approx 13 cameras in one section of the complex then another 16 on the opposite side of the building (approx 450 ft). Ive never had to do a multi switch configuration and am under the assumption that I run a cat cable from one switch to the next and thats it to link up all cameras? The cameras will all be 3mp poe. My only concerns are the streaming/quality of using multiple switches and then integrating those into their existing network. Thanks for any input

Anyone having issues with the image flickering with these hdsdi cameras? We do a ton of industrial/warehouse/commercial buildings and have plenty of power going to the cameras and repeaters where necessary but always seem to run into 1 or 2 cameras that flicker black/live. Could these cameras be more susceptible to interference than analog? Any suggestions? thanks

just my opinion, but that doesn't sound like a project for a newbie...

 

study a little about networks, switches, limitations, cables etc (also bandwidth, internal switch bandwidth...)

I wouldnt say Im a complete noob when it comes to IP configurations I've just never configured a system from the ground up without a lan/internet access already in place...I dont see why my idea wouldnt work is my question i guess. From my understandings the equipment i was thinking about would be well within bandwidth limitations. I was going to have a NVR in one building with an outdoor access point (for ptmp config) connected to a gigabit router...the 3 remote sites would each have a 4 port switch with 4 1080p ip cameras...is their something else i am overlooking? Thanks

I've set up a few NVR + wireless ip cameras (ubiquiti for wireless) but they have always been a part of the customers network. Can someone explain the architecture of building a ip system without a current network in place...just a stand alone setup. Im assuming I just need a router/switch and configure everything like usual I've just never done a setup like this before. Also the job is going to call for 12 2mp cameras (3 locations with 4 cameras each), are bandwidth concerns no longer an issue since we are using only the local network we've created (can I go crazy with the amount of megapixel cameras used as long as gigabit hardware is used)? Thanks alot

You could keep the encoder/decoder pair for video only, and use a separate set of RS422/485 to ethernet converters for the PTZ control over the same data link, here's a example that lists your type of application as one of it's uses. http://www.planet.com.tw/en/product/product_appl.php?id=16529

 

I tracked down a 485 converter at sennetech.net hopefully this will be a quick solution to use with the current setup

Are you planning to convert to Pelco protocol at the matrix, and set up the PTZ to accept that input format, or the other way around?

They have an old panasonic matrix that only accepts panasonic protocol...since the encoder/decoder setup supports pelco D/P Im going to set the PTZ to pelco and have the panasonic 485 converter at the matrix...definitely a learning curve when using panny products hopefully I can get them to upgrade in the future

You could keep the encoder/decoder pair for video only, and use a separate set of RS422/485 to ethernet converters for the PTZ control over the same data link, here's a example that lists your type of application as one of it's uses. http://www.planet.com.tw/en/product/product_appl.php?id=16529

I tracked down a 485 converter at sennetech.net hopefully this will be a quick solution to use with the current setup

Just wanted to update as weve come to find that the acti encoder/decoder setup does not support panasonic ptz protocol. Any other suggestions? Thanks!

The setup works quite well, the latency is greater than analog, but still not bad at all, and the adaptability and stability of the setup is very nice. I'm not too familiar with the Panasonic matrix, but it should allow addressing at least as many cameras as the matrix itself supports, if not more.

 

If you are familiar with setting up the Nanostations, you already have a big part of the problem solved, you just need to set up the encoder/decoder with unique addresses, point the settings of the decoder to point to the encoder address, and set the baud rate of data for control, and the DIP switches for RS422 or RS485 data.

Nice, im guessing you configure the encoder/decoder with a computer beforehand? Ive never set the nanos up without internet present (dhcp configuration/static ips etc)...do you match the encoder to the access point ip address then match the decoder to the station ip address? or do you just set the encoder to 192.168.1.1 Access point to xxx.2 Station xxx.3 Decoder xxx.4? appreciate the help thanks alot

I would imagine the matrix has a RS422/485 data output for PTZ control, and the camera has an option for hardwired data control, as well.

 

If this is the case, I did a similar setup with a Pelco PTZ using an IP encoder/decoder pair from Acti (ACD-2100 at the camera, ACD-3100 at the headend), and Ubiquiti Nanostation M5 wireless radios in a bridge configuration.

 

Your cost will be lower than Trango or similar wireless gear with separate radios for data, and there's less degradation of the image quality, and multiple sets of IP based radios can run in the same area with much less chance for interference (many channel selections and smaller bandwidth than analog radios).

Yes I definitely like the idea of being able to use Nano M5s (actually just installed a ptmp configuration with them today) for the wireless transmitting. I looked up the encoder/decoders and they look pretty simple. Did you experience much latency or any other issues with this setup? The panasonic equipment (ptz/joystick) is several years old Im worried about integration is the only reason I decided to use the same brand ptz as they had...how many 485 controls can a matrix usually support do u think? Thanks for the advice Ill go hunting for some good encoder/decoder prices.

There's not any systems that I know of in analog that could do this. Even RS422/485 control in analog requires a separate transmitter and receiver for data.

 

What's the complete scenario, maybe I can suggest some options.

Industrial setting with existing panasonic/cameras/joystick/matrix and 3rd party dvr. Wanting to add a ptz at a new metal warehouse building (3/4mi away clear line of sight) and be able to integrate it with the existing system/joystick. Im guessing ill just have to get an additional trans/rec for the data? Thanks

can over the coax ptz control be achieved with analog wireless transmitters? Thanks for any help!

Have a client that needs about 10 2mp cameras and can use analog for the rest (10 analog). They also want to utilize a 10/100mb poe switch that they already purchased. Will that switch even support this setup comfortably? Anyone recommend a decently priced hybrid unit/POE cameras? Was thinking about trying Avers 32 channel hybrid....thanks for any help

 

I apologize I fogot to update that they decided adding an additional DVR at the secondary site would be ok (thatll prob make more since with my kvm idea). Trango seems really pricey but again Ive never had to look for a RF solution before...we typically use ubiquiti products and will probably use them again since I found out they could be used independantly

 

That sound better

I start to play with SDI recently ( sold 2 system already)

and kinda like it for small jobs

Haha yea sorry. Weve installed quite a bit, actually started pushing those over IP when the company didnt have some kind of knowledgable IT personel onsite. Have had a few glitchy cameras but thats been about the only problems weve had so far...

 

Sounds great...the reason i say kvm instead of encoder/decoder is that we might use sdi cameras instead of analog. That way we could get better resolution cameras out there (large areas of coverage needed) and just send back the vga output with the usb controls. Im just worried about how the kvm would perform with this setup...

 

Hmm, u going to use SDI cams and Trango ?

I apologize I fogot to update that they decided adding an additional DVR at the secondary site would be ok (thatll prob make more since with my kvm idea). Trango seems really pricey but again Ive never had to look for a RF solution before...we typically use ubiquiti products and will probably use them again since I found out they could be used independantly

Also, all the cameras and encoder/decoder pairs would be able to run over one wireless link, if you added a small network switch at each end between the encoder/decoder units and the wireless unit.

Sounds great...the reason i say kvm instead of encoder/decoder is that we might use sdi cameras instead of analog. That way we could get better resolution cameras out there (large areas of coverage needed) and just send back the vga output with the usb controls. Im just worried about how the kvm would perform with this setup...

What I'm suggesting would not be over their LAN, the only network connections would be between the wireless units at each end and their respective encoders and decoders (which you could even put in the same box, if you wanted).

 

The only connections to the DVR would be the analog video, and PTZ control.

are you saying a PTP IP bridge will transmit encoder/decoder info without being attached to a network?

if thats possible could we use some kind of KVM extender over ethernet/PTP so they could see/control the cameras from where they want? Any resolution/latency issues? Thanks alot

Is there any way that you could use analog to IP encoders at the far end, and IP to analog decoders at the DVR end? the IP link in that case would be totally isolated from any other network connections.

 

If it's security your customer is worried about, that should eliminate any network security concerns, and a WPA2 encrypted data link between the points would be far more secure than analog transmitters.

I proposed that idea initially but they declined since it was over their lan...Ive convinced them to add an additional DVR onsite and just transmit the video out back...I contacted trango and the best they could offer quality wise was 460tvl with a point to point solution for over 2k. Surely their is something a little better quality for the price. Any other suggestions? Thanks!

can not be IP, cameras will be approx half mile away with clear line of sight...

Have a client needing 2 PTZs and 1 fixed camera from a remote location (~0.5mi with clear LOS). All needing to be wireless/analog cameras. The DVR can not be relocated. Typically only use IP equipment when wireless is needed but the location has strict rules regarding network applications. Anyone recommend reliable wireless equipment? Thanks alot

Where are you located at?

 

Keep in mind your install labor in mind. You can install a Avigilon system in about half the time it takes Exacq or NUUO with third party cameras.

Sounds like something we'll definitely have to get some more info on...Im in Oklahoma

Thanks for the response...definitely open to suggestions of other NVRs. How does Avigilon compare in price? As far as cameras it'll be a blend of acti/vivotek. The customer is mainly looking for record quality, ease of use (hes an older guy), and mobile support (android/iphone). Client/server will be local. Thanks again

Have a 20-30 IP camera job up for bid and am looking for a change in NVR. Anyone have personal pros/cons between the 2(Nuuo Titan or Exacq) Most cameras will be 1-2 megapixel indoor and out. Thanks alot