tomcctv

Hi all,

 

I'm planning to offer a hosted IP camera solution to my customers and want them to be able to login to their account and see both live and recorded data of their hosted camera's. What platform would suit my needs best? I've looked into Milestone, ExacqVision etc. and I'm enthousiastic about Exacq, but would I be able to set it up so that my end users see only their specific camera's securely?

 

Thanks in advance!

Hi caribsecure. it just seems to be a lot of work that is not neeed. you would have to put your customers system over the internet anyway so your customers only need to log into there systems direct. is this something you will be charging for.

What are you recording with?

 

http://www.zoneminder.com

 

If you think $2k is expensive for mobotix... wait until you see the final project costs on that arecont setup you got going...

 

Well, ZoneMinder is free, and so is manual review of the captured footage. If/when I go to automated capture, I'll be developing the software myself as a ZoneMinder plug-in. There is at least one open source ANPR package I can use as a starting point. But all that is beside the point; regardless of what kind of camera is feeding the images into the system, the back end hardware and software (and their costs) are going to be the same.

dvarpala. this is a subject that always gets to me. when people say thay want to build there own ANPR system. ANPR is a database system and you have to be licenced to use it. are you looking to catch number plates or are you looking for a true ANPR system.

Hello yall,

I'm looking into building a security system with up to 32 cameras. I was wondering if it is worth getting 8 separate DVR's multiplexer's instead of one 32 camera DVR Multiplexer. My theory is, if one 8 DVR Multiplexer fails, i still will have 24 other cameras operational. Is this something I should Consider.

 

 

Thank You

 

Tim

buying 8 and being able to view all together you will be a bit limited. you would be better off using 2 x 16 way dvrs. you can get dvrs that link together so you still only need 1 monitor and works just like having a 32 way

looking up marketing ............. frightning.

Hey guys,

 

I was just wondering what other useful purposes a surveillance system could serve, such as providing data for market research? That's really all that I can come up with.

i dont see how cctv is used for market reseach. cctv is usefull in many ways not just to catch the bad boys. it can also help protect your company in many ways.

say in a warehouse. you have a member of staff playing around on a folklift truck it hits a rack system that falls onto someone and kills them. without cctv it would be hard to say if it was a a bad rack system that caused the death or an idiot on a forklift truck.

if you have a shop selling liquor. you have an age restriction. the police call to your store and say they have just talked with a 14 year old down the street drinking beer he says he bought from your store. without cctv you are going to have a hard time proving he did not buy it from your store.

you just look at cctv being a secound set of eyes watching 24/7

Whats the point of that post?

No adds pay for adds

someone got out of the wrong bed. crirvine. look to your left and see under partners on this page.

No one here has an opinion?

this is a good replacement for a avtech. http://www.averusa.com/surveillance/productdetail.aspx?id=136

I need this password cause i bought it for specific reasons. I used the main board for it's mmc record function in a homemade dvr system. I have it so why should i dump it ? Anyway yes it is true that is not the second but the fifth time that i buy useless stuff from ebay but i don't care as soon as it is cheap. I use it for parts. I really want to make a use from this dlr and my question is if anyone knows if password is in the eeprom or the flash ?

Thank you

John. its 10 years old you are also going to need firmware. you can buy a good dvr card for $80 . but good luck anyway.

Why don't you reply to me? Is this dlr really unknown to all of you ?

Hi johnyp. looking back on your posts you have been stung by Ebay twice. ok stuff is cheap IF IT WORKS if it does not work then you have wasted your money and you have done that twice.

ok you have bought a 1 channel DVR. 1 channel dvrs are cheap enough to buy new and not have the problems you are having.

here is the manual for your dvr. if the username and password have been changed from factory then dont waste any more money on a 10 year old dvr.

http://www.eneo-security.com/mall/2/assets/manual/71864_en_man.pdf

Mostly are AvTech and others CPCam. but all use the same sotfware, named "Video viewer Application" Version 0.1.7.4

would it not just be better to use the Avtech CMS . http://www.avtech.com.my/files/AVTech_CMS_Manual.pdf

hi, that pic is exactly what my dvr looks like and in the book it says it does support rs232/485 for ptz. in the menus i can set up protocol, address,baud etc for each channel.

i have linked the data+/- to the 485a/b with no response at all.

the dvr is configured to pelco-d and looking on th net i have also configured the camera the same

you will also need to set up the baud rate on both your dvr and the ptz 9600 on both. and you will also need to set the address of your ptz i.e 001.

have a sentient h264 ptz dvr and a vcl orb0006(honeywell i believe) and am having trouble connecting them.on the back of my dvr the interface has these connctions "+5,gnd,485b,485a,gnd,1no,1nc,gnd"

on the cctv camera i have "s.gnd,sync,data-,data+,0vs,+vs,vgnd,vid…

i have established that the 0vs and +vs on camera are a 12v supply and the vgnd and video are the videio line.

i have connected these and have a picture, but am unable to get the PTZ side to work.

any help is greatly appreciated.

thanks

you have your power and video set up but you also need to get the data cables connected which are 485A and 485B

your problem is going to be your recorder the sentient dont all have ptz controls on board also if yours is from maplins it will only have a 250 H/Drive installed and using a ptz with 3 other cameras you will get about two days recording.

the VCL ptz is old some you could change the protocol and some had to get data from a VCL data box and then a controller.

does your dvr look like this

Been lurkin around around on and off for about 12mths now.

 

Was going to build it with mobotix but at this stage just want to go with something reasonable that wont break the bank. Just to give it a try if not much interest then not much lost i guess. If it goes well MKII will see a vast improvement on specs.

 

So looks like the VBB-31VF x 5 is the go.

 

The pole will be made from square tube and going to make a "Head Piece" to mount everything onto will also aid in transport and will provide solid weather proof mounting.

 

So any better DVR recommendations for 8 Channel full D1 recording across all Channels ?

Is the DH-DVR0804HE-T a reasonable unit ?

we see lots of trailer temp units here in the uk and yes if done right they make good money. but you should never use fixed cameras (only to look over the trailer base you should use them)

lets say you use 5 VBB-31VF everytime you go to set your trailer up you will be up and down with your mast for hours getting it right. then someone will ask can you train a camera on something for a short time at an event oooops down comes your mast again. also at that hight you are not going to get a good range to get a face shot

and also when building mobile units less is best. using 5 cameras and a dvr you also have power problems.

you are not to far away with your idea of a mobotix camera. 1 Q24 external will cover far more than 5 CNB cameras and will also be much easier to power.

just while typing this i have come up with a good idea for a system

1 Q24 steel external

1 CNB 33x zoom PTZ

all mounted 25ft controlled by the new aver 1004 nano onto a wireless router and controll everything with a IPAD

thanks a lot for your response.

 

A last question: I have this DVR, but I dont have a Monitor, I use just à PC (on a switch) to get this web interface and configure it. In fact, I made a stupidity: I changed the IP configuration of the DVR from the factory Fixed IP(192.168.1.10) to DHCP. So now, I can't get access to DVR anymore.

Do you know how the get the DVR back to the factory configuration (make a factory reset) ? I tried to remove battery that is inside the DVR and put it again after a minute, but it doesn't get back the default IP configuration (it just changes the time configuration I suppose)

 

thanks

Hi your dvr will not come with a factory ip address it collects it from your router. you are best connecting your dvr up to a monitor and switching off DHCP and re entre your ip 192.168.1.10. if you dont do this then you will need to do all your ports on your router to get your remote mobile viewing.

Well, can't find anything stating one way or another - except a couple wikipedia references that are extremely vague - so I'll take your word for it. You already proved me dramatically wrong once this month I don't think I could take it twice

 

And I think the rep said it did because he thought they were interchangable terms too.

 

I KNOW my D1 box is 30 Frames @ D1 so no issue for me

Hi chris. no one is wrong. we all learn on here.

http://hs-tcl.com/400fps.html

just sent you a pm i need help .

+1 to what tom just said... these software companies have done this before and know what you will be needing storage wise and network wise. They should be able to assist greatly and give you better idea on the big picture.

 

Sorry, I do not agree.

 

Consider this, go to a software vendor and say this is project, and guess which software they will design into the project?

 

Go to a camera manufacturer and guess which camera will be suggested as being the best fit for the application?

 

From the brief description of the requirement I could make a good guess at which systems might be appropriate given 20 odd years exprience in large complex CCTV systems, but I would not offer an opinion until the full operational requirement was devloped. Otherwise the guess that would be made would almost certainly not be appropriate to the end user's needs.

 

My suggestion is that you need a good independent consultant to ensure you will not be embarassed.

 

Ilkie

sorry ilkie. i have known you a long time but sorry not a consultant. i was in london last week with a company who also brought in a consultant he was usless ..... and had never installed in his life. sorry i think a true consultant is a guy who has been on the tools most of his life and is getting to old to get up the ladder. someone who has been through everything not a guy who just reads spec sheets.

and this type of install is not down to the customers needs it down to the state regulations and the stricked codes.

from what i can remember from working in west virginia everything is linked together accsses control / cctv / face recognition / and body scan

this is why i said Avigilon. they have been the leaders of this type of equipment for some time now even in the uk they are helping companys win contracts at airports because they have a system that does everything

like were you have got your information from. you say its a 480 fps at 4cif it true recording is 240fps.

 

samsung spec SRD-1670 NTCS 480 ips is not the same as fps you have to half anything that says ips to give you to true fps.

 

Correct me if I'm wrong but it's it:

 

IPS(Images per Second) = PPS(Pictures per Second) = FPS(Frames per Second.).

But then there is also Fields Per Second(also known as FPS) that = 2 Fields to a Frame(picture/image/frame).

 

It's been a couple years since I've had to explain this(thank you for finally going away VCRs!) and I might be a little jumbled up, but I'm pretty sure this is accurate.

 

And unless multiple Samsung Reps have lied to me(a possibility, but doubtful), that is a 480FPS @ D1 unit.

well you need to beat the rep up. the link posted is from there site (Samsung) and its clear IPS.

IPS means images per second ..... also known as FPS fields per second. both of which are used to make a spec of a dvr look good.

and then you have true FPS frames per second.

Some manufacturers use different expressions when identifying the speed capabilities of their product. It will become increasingly apparent why this is misleading.

● Thirty (30) “frames-per-second”(abbreviated as “fps”) is “real-time,” ”real-motion” video in the NTSC (North America) video standard.

● Twenty-five (25) “frames-per-second”(abbreviated as “fps”) is “real-time,” ”real-motion” video in the PAL (International) standard.

This is not to be confused with “fields-per-second” (also abbreviated as “fps”). Unfortunately, two (2) fields equal one (1) frame. So when a manufacturer states “30 fps” on their literature are they talking fields or frames? Are they talking about each channel of video or total capacity of the system? Are they talking about the system limitation or the operating capability?

it will a bit** to run a serial port cable all the way from the cash register to the computer.it's like 40 ft away.that's why i am trying to use the cat5.any help?thanks

can you press f1 and list your software please if it is below 0055 you will need to alter some things.

· General Protocol: For general protocol (Epson’s protocol), users can connect AVerDiGi Series DVR

directly.

· Non-General Protocol: For non-general protocol, please refer to the list of POS machine we have

integrated as below.

Brand Model

Epson

Epson TM-T88

Epson_MR800

IQ IQ2000

Posiflex Posiflex 4212

Samsung Samsung - SPS2000

Sharp Sharp ER-A530

Toshiba TOSHIBA ST-60-C

Wincor Nixdorf Wincor Nixdorf BA63

on your register you will see network. and in there you will see pos B/O and you will see your registers ip address and a port number - change the port number to 5051. back on your dvr go to system and on the right hand side you will see pos settings click UTP and you will see the port 5051 below that entre your registers ip then use the test set-up 90% will work with general. post how far you get .

Destro, Wireguys, it will be on an independent network.

 

The cameras that I believe meet the requirements are ranging from $1000-1500 with virtual PTZ.

with this being such a big job and the money involved you will have no problem having a manufacture also involved in your design. this will save you time and money.

i would look at Avigilon. they are the best at this type of equipment and its used world wide.

http://www.avigilon.com/products/samplefootage/

Hi Everyone

 

Just in the design phase of building a portable trailer system for building site, event security etc

if you are looking to rent your trailer out then you need to make shure you have no problems later. the dvr you have listed is no good for this type of work (software to view footage) is not a good idea and is slow.

also fixed cameras will limit you to the type of event work you get. most need ptz security

The website is not definitive, for now are the videos, take a while to load, this is logical because I want to show in high definition, you must have a little patience.

There are five videos, the comiezo the screen turns gray because it tries to upload a video presentation, which can be closed with the cross on the top right.

We agree, the site is not well developed, but it serves to show the videos.

 

thanks

federico

su sitio web no muestra sus 5 videos la opción no le permite hacer clic en ellos. ¿te han cargado???

I am an integrator of Argentina. I am using JPEG2000 5 MP AVIGILON monitoring applications and urban road. I would like to share experiences and examples with other integrators. I am using high-performance wireless links to connect the camera to the monitoring center at a distance between 1 and 5 km.

I leave some examples of videos made with 5 MP AVIGILON on our website www.viginetip.com.

Please stay pending comments or videos made with AVIGILON or another brand aimed at urban and traffic monitoring.

I look forward to comments

 

Thanks & Regards

Mr. Federico Perez

federicoperez@viginetip.com

my comment " NO video on your site all grayed out.

Spanish to English translation

Success Stories

Video 1 - High Quality Night Scene

Video 2 - Picture light still visible from the front

Video 3 - Identification of patent

Video 4 - Using multiple scenes

Video 5 - Video backlight

Hi. yes most standalones will restart after power cut. for your needs i would go standalone than pc. have a look at this unit. its also hybrid http://www.avermedia.com/AVerDiGi/Product/Detail.aspx?id=253

That seems to be a pretty decent unit. If I'm understanding everything correctly it records 240fps at full D1(720x480). I does lack HDMI out, and I can't seem to find the max resolution it will display. I guess 1920x1080 out is not really needed, but what be nice to have. Especially if I went with some HD cameras in the future.

Can anyone recommend any other units as good or even better than the Avermedia? Maybe with HDMI out and a full 480fps at D1, not 4CIF. I looked at the Samsung SRD-1670, which claims to record at 480fps at 4CIF(704x480). I can see from the link above that compares frame rates that 30fps per channel at full D1 may be overkill, but I just want to weigh all my options before I make a decision. I would think the unit should last for several years and would like to stay as close to the top of the technology as I can, but still stay within reason on the cost.

the samsung SRD-1670 is no were near the aver spec. this is the problem with samsung it is sold by many companys and each will alter the spec even when you google the SRD-1670 you will see some companys sell it as a true D1 and even one calls it a high def dvr. everone sells it but have differant specs to make it look good.

like were you have got your information from. you say its a 480 fps at 4cif it true recording is 240fps.

samsung spec SRD-1670 NTCS 480 ips is not the same as fps you have to half anything that says ips to give you to true fps. so the true spec of the samsung = http://www.sourcesecurity.com/docs/fullspec/20100610_0_20100610SRD-1670_DataSheet_E.pdf

and the price for the samsung is stupid compaired to the avermedia listed in the last post.

if you are looking for full true D1 at 30 fps on each channel then you are going to have to look at Hardware Compression System and not Software Compression. and looking at the price for the samsung its the same as the avermedia sa9000 pro which is a hardware compression dvr and also the http://www.averusa.com/surveillance/productdetail.aspx?id=88

Yes, its obvious that I have no experience with IP cameras. My job is to research potential products for this system and offer comparison for the proposal. I wont be handling the implementation. So I am just trying to further my understanding in order to do my part correctly.

 

Thewireguys, Destro is correct, we are going IP because the network is already there for the most part. IS has assured that B/W will not be an issue. He was also in the ball park for the budget.

 

Would it be possible to get some answers for my low level questions? or at least some explanation as to why they are the wrong questions and what i should be concerned about?

 

Thanks for your patience, I'm sure that you can appreciate my need for help.

Hi you are going to have to learn a lot on here before you can judge what sould and cant be used on your install.

which will take months.

if you are not doing the install (jusy over seeing) then you will be best getting quotes for your install and then posting the options on what equipment is to be used and them others can help.

are you in america ??? am in the uk and i know the regulations for cctv install in a campus/ school. in the US.

you say budget is 500k miles away for a 500 ip camera system you will need a secure network for the whole system. you will also need a control room and a good door accsess system to run along side the cctv. you are looking at a full central station set-up here

I appreciate the input tom. I was not aware aver had its own usb to serial and rs 485 Hardware

hi they are not avers own. its just that they are on the avers software for pos and ptz. the good thing about them is the pos test they have as in a form of data lights being sent.

http://www.moxa.com/product/UPort_1110.htm