LittleScoobyMaster

Holy Moly! https://ipvm.com/reports/geovision-15 Behind a paywall but some people may have access. Time to patch those cameras.

Yeah, GV-VMS is free for Geo cameras. If you only have Geo cams, it's the best solution hands down. I only use non-Geo cameras and for that you have to purchase the GV-VMS 3rd Party camera licenses and that is where the problem lies because of the way Geo handles the upgrades from GV-NVR to GV-VMS for 3rd Party Cameras. I used to own Geo hardware (GV-650 capture card) so I started using Geo software. Then I migrated to GV-NVR for IP cameras.

Anyone know how to turn this on? I can't find the settings for it. Does the setting just not show up if your hardware isn't a Sandy Bridge chipset with onboard VGA? Running 8.5.4.0 on Win7 64-bit with only 4 gigs of mem (specs say 8 recc, but not required). Also mention Sandy Bridge with built in VGA, kinda fuzzy on if that is recc or required. (really need a Sandy for this? will they be adding older chipsets for this feature?) Pavel, you got GPU Decoding working, didn't you? Did you have to check a setting? It would suck the donkey-donkey if it was limited to Sandy's only. GPU Decoding Specifications In V8.5 or later, support for GPU (Graphics Processing Unit) decoding is added to lower the CPU loading and to increase the total frame rate supported by a GV-System. GPU decoding only supports the following software and hardware specifications: Software Specifications: Supported Operating Systems: Windows Vista (32-bit) / 7 (32 / 64-bit) / Server 2008 R2 (64-bit) Resolution: 1 M / 2 M Codec: H.264 Stream: Single Note: To apply GPU decoding, the recommended memory (RAM) requirements is 8 GB or more for 64-bit OS and 3 GB for 32-bit OS. Hardware Specifications: Motherboard Sandy Bridge chipset with onboard VGA Ex: Intel® Q67, H67, H61, Q65, B65, Z68 Express Chipset. Note: If you want to use an external VGA card, it is required to connect a monitor to the onboard VGA to activate GPU decoding.

Nice video. It mentions in the video for maximum performance you'll want to use both Intel and Nvidia GPU's. Noticed some of the settings they are using VBR instead of CBR. Still seems overly optimistic for what you get in the real world however. You can always use more GPU power for these streams. A single 4K stream can sometimes bring a system to its knees if it's not new and powerful enough. Then when you add multiple monitors and especially multiple 4k monitors viewing multiple 4k streams, you really start to see things bogging down. Currently I have to use both Intel and Nvidia GPU's. Before I switched from GV-VMS 15 to Xprotect 2016 r2, I was seeing some high CPU and GPU with GV-VMS. I did not notice the large differences in GPU decoding that they say can be expected. I was getting pretty much the same consistent cpu and gpu utilization from both VMS's. But with Geo, it was hard to determine the actual framerates because as far as I know they can only be displayed on the web client. With Xprotect there is a realtime option to display fps of each stream on the main system. Good to see Geovision is still trying to compete. They actually beat Xprotect with Nvidia GPU decoding which was nice. Still waiting for Xprotect to add it to their product, but for all other aspects, Xprotect is miles ahead of Geo unfortunately. I used Geovision for 15 years but due to the recent debacle in the way they handled upgrades of GV-NVR to GV-VMS, I finally decided to move away from Geo and move over to Milestone. Much more flexibility with the Xprotect products.

In my experience this depends on the software you use quite a bit. I know with my particular system where I constantly monitor Nvidia GPU and Intel GPU loads with GPU meters, I would easily see a gain with Nvidia cards doing more of the work. With Milestone Xprotect and only 6 cams at 30 fps all 1080 or less streams, the Intel GPU averages 50% load while the display monitor averages 10% of the current Nvidia GPU (rendering only) and that's only on a 1080p TV set. If I were to double that number of cams, my Intel GPU (HD 530 on an Intel I7-6700k) would be close to 100%. It's not good to always run processors at maximum load. Now, if I were to upgrade any of these to 4K cameras at 3840x2160 resolutions, that could really take another bite out of this setup.

The best free software is going to be Xprotect Go by Milestone. It's free but you are limited to 5 days worth of recordings. You can save recording longer than that but the normal archive is 5 days. If you don't mind exporting the important captured events, then you should be good. https://www.milestonesys.com/our-products/video-management-software/xprotect-go/

I don't think this question was ever answered. I am wondering the same exact thing. If I purchase Xprotect Essential 2016 now, will I need to re-purchase new licenses for it in 1 or 2 years down the road? If so, that could get costly for a home user very quickly. I'm hoping the Windows 7 pricing model would apply here. If you bought Win7 when it was new, it was good for a long 5 to 6 years easily without paying in every couple years. I mean seriously, a 2.1 release. What the hell? Did that release cost extra money or was it more like the Win 8.0 to 8.1 release that was free? I *really* want to switch off of Geovision GV-NVR but don't want to run into another licensing cluster**** like Geo has with the non-existent upgrade pricing plan to go from GV-NVR to GV-VMS (basically there is no plan, you just have to re-purchase VMS and sell your NVR dongles on E-bay or Craigslist even though VMS is technically only a .5 point release upgrade - they added custom camera layouts which GV-NVR should of had 10 years ago and refreshed the GUI). Geovision is killing me softly. There is even a song about it.

Curious what most people are paying for this upgrade? thanks

I sometimes wonder if a ColecoVision might work better than a Geovision...

Just curious if anyone is using this or not.

All their NVR's run embedded linux, which is what I have but havent installed in my home yet... My question was, does the new VMS software run on Linux or if anyone had any experience with it. A Linux version isn't available on their website, at least not in the regular download area: http://www.geovision.com.tw/english/5_8.asp

Curious if anyone purchased this Dahua IPC-HF81200E and how it performs in general and also in low light with external IR added to the scene. Also curious what kinds of issues would be caused if this camera were used with the suggested $7.00 (2.8 - 12mm (OEM) lens from CCTV-Mall? http://www.cctv-mall.com/dahua-ipc-hf81200e-dahua-ipc-hf81200e-12-megapixel-4k-ip-box-camera-dahua-ipc-hf81200e-12mp-ultra-hd-network-camera

If Hikvision allowed their iVMS to work with 3rd party cameras, it would be pretty cool. They would really take over the VMS market, just like their cameras have.

Curious if your GV-NVR dongle is still working for GV-VMS?

I haven't either. I think the Geo Nas devices run linux but I thought that was just because it's like a linux NAS app of some kind, I don't know if GV-NVR is running on Linux or just the storage software application. I haven't seen a location to d/l the linux version anyway. http://www.worldeyecam.com/gv-nas2008-2hdd-bay-linux-based-network-attached-storage-device.html?gclid=CKK58P2_9s0CFZSIaQodhi8Piw

Did you upgrade your GV-NVR dongle to GV-VMS? If so, curious how much it cost, unless it was for GV-IP devices only.

I still haven't understood the need for GV-Edge. Is it the upgrade to Geo's DMMultiview \ Remote Viewlog solution? Have you tried DMMultiview \ Remote Viewlog for remote viewing of live and recorded streams? I use it and have gotten used to it. It's a bit clunky but has worked ok over the years. I don't use it for POS however, so I don't know if it would strip the POS data or not. Also. GV-VMS is the new version of GV-NVR. GV-NVR has reached end of new features and is being phased out by GV-VMS. If GV-NVR doesn't work for the issue you are trying to resolve, you may want to give it a shot with GV-VMS since it is Geo's newer version, and even if you submit a software enhancement request for GV-NVR, they will most likely only apply it to GV-VMS. I tried to have a software enhancement added to GV-NVR recently and they told me they are no longer taking requests for it. Only for GV-VMS going forward. GV-VMS demos are available on the Geo website and used to work for 60 days free. Think they still do. If you do get a quote for the upgrade conversion of your GV-NVR dongle to GV-VMS, post the price here. I have seen the cost for GV-NVR to GV-VMS run anywhere from $7.5 per 3rd party camera up to $70 depending on the vendor. I think what happened is that Geo never posted a cost and so vendors are just charging anything they want for the upgrade which should really be free or very close to free. $7.5 per cam is a reasonable amount, but the higher end is insane pricing, especially because in some cases they are charging more for the upgrade than it costs to just by GV-VMS alone.

Are they mostly still selling the capture cards for people with the older analog systems? I converted all my cameras to IP a while back but I am curious what the going rate is for the Geovision upgrade from GV-NVR to GV-VMS for 3rd party cameras.

I would agree that the info from the previous posts about the sad state of NVR and VMS is pretty accurate. I've been using Geovision solutions for 15 years and my thought this whole time over the past 15 years has always been, there HAS to be something better. And so I've tried other packages, and they all contain the same amount of suckage. The UI in Geo is horrid, and it has been forever. And most other packages are the same exact way. Geo finally started to improve their UI in GV-VMS, but it's been over 10 years too late. The problem is that the surveillance sector has been and always will be light years behind the IT sector. I think that's just one of the reasons the DVR's are such crap. (They're still playing catch-up). Finally at least with high resolution cams, the industry is almost starting to act like a regular IT company, but they still aren't there. Just as an example, one of my first Geovision capture cards was a GV-650b. That card remained at the same speeds for over a decade. Imagine for a moment, if a video card manufacturer like Nvidia or AMD would have had the same speed video card for over 10 years without improving it, but instead, only switching it from PC bus to PC bus. GV-650 started out with the old ISA bus, and then I believe they moved to Vesa Local Bus, and then they went to PCI. The whole time, the card itself remained the crazy slow FPS capture speed forever because the industry allowed it to happen (not just the 650, but almost their entire range of capture cards). I used to monitor the prices daily \ weekly \ yearly, and they rarely improved in performance. Progress in the surveillance industry was crazy slow. It seemed liked forever that the hardware cards for DVR's were stuck at ridiculous slow capture speeds. Anyway, hopefully the software starts to come of age this decade. (performance, UI, cost value, etc.) Milestone seems to be showing some hope, but, they haven't even added GPU decoding for Nvidia cards yet. Geo actually beat Milestone to the punch on that because GV-VMS had GPU decoding for Nvidia cards since February of this year. Milestone still hasn't added it for Nvidia cards, but hopefully will soon. They added it for Intel GPU's. GPU decoding seems to really help with the CPU destruction some of these NVR / VMS packages commit. You'd think that the packages were rendering fantastic looking virtual worlds or something the way they chew on the CPU.

Did you upgrade from GV-NVR to GV-VMS? If so, how much did it cost? Also, do you know the rtsp address for doing this same thing with an Apple iphone5?

Your grapevine was half-right. Looks like they added Nvidia cards GPU decoding for GV-VMS, but not for GV-NVR. I hope they add it to GV-NVR because GV-VMS is an expensive upgrade from GV-NVR. It's cost prohibitive. (Third Party IP Cameras) GV-VMS Version History Version 15.10.1.0 Released date: 02/22/2016 New in Main System: Support for Windows 10 Support for GV-ASManager / GV-LPR Plugin V4.3.5.0 Support for GV-Web Report V2.2.6.0 Support for GPU decoding with external NVIDIA graphics cards Support for dual streaming of GV-Fisheye Camera Support for H.265 codec Support for sending alert notifications through SNMP protocol Support for up to 20,000 client accounts in Authentication Server New image orientation options for corridor scenes (supported GV-IP Cameras only) Support for marking video bookmarks in live view Connection log with Center V2 / Vital Sign Monitor / Failover Plugin registered in System Log Support for compacting videos to key frame only when merging and exporting

You could get a step closer by making a shortcut for it and throwing it in: C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs\Startup Not sure how you can make it automatically click on the OK button to launch though. There are small programs that can pass keys to programs. I forget the name of them presently. The Multiview.exe may have some startup flags, not sure though. Also maybe checked MultiViewHostInfo.ini commands in case there is one that can bypass prompting to start.

From what I can determine, it seems like GV-NVR is no longer having any updates. Last one was over a year ago. Is GV-VMS a free upgrade from GV-NVR? (3rd Party IP cameras)

Looks like the new version of GV-VMS does H.265. http://www.securityworldhotel.com/int/News/Product-News/geovision-debuts-h265-vms-at-isc-2015 I wonder if this is a free upgrade from GV-NVR. Anyone know when 15.10 will be released? Is it tomorrow by any chance?

I have this exact same problem using GV-NVR 8.6.20. Did you ever get your issue resolved? This is the ONVIF camera that I am having the problem with. I've tried quite a few different things. The web interface to the camera works fine without disconnects. It's only when I use GV-NVR to connect to it that I have disconnect issues every minute or so. After about 10 minutes, it just gives up and I get a solid standard Geo Disconnected graphic. Come to think of it, the only way I can connect to this camera via GV-NVR is by using this exact rtsp path: "rtsp://192.168.1.124:554/user=admin_password=yDvfc6Sn_channel=1_stream=0.sdp?real_stream" So I'm not sure I'm even connecting to it via ONVIF, but instead via RTSP, which could be the problem. If I remember correctly, I was unable to use the regular ONVIF selector to connect. Anyway, this is the camera name: LEAGY 720P camera also known as the TOP-201 Super Mini 720P HD IP-Cam: http://www.amazon.com/LEAGY-2-8-12mm-varifocal-bracket-Varifocal/dp/B00V0UTZBO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1457058010&sr=8-1&keywords=leagy+camera The specification sheet is located on the link above as well. I have not ran the GV-IP camera patch yet. Tried to use it once but I don't remember why I didn't. Does it provide updates for standard ONVIF cameras? I am also curious if GV-NVR has a log file that can be examined for when cameras disconnect by themselves? Also, for the IP 3rd party update file, is there a history file that shows what cameras that file is updating?