Question about adding cameras to Samsung SDE 4001 unit

[riverfisher 0]

I have a Samsung SDE 4001 package unit, came with dvr and 6 cameras, expandable to 8 cameras. My question is what types of cameras will work with this unit. I am not overly impressed with the quality of the samsung cameras and was hoping that I may be able to add a couple of better quality cameras to the available ports.

 

Thanks

[koolmer 0]

Is this what you have?

 

http://www.samsungsv.com/Model/Detail/10/Samsung-SDE-4001N-8-Channel-DVR-Security-System

 

What is the problem with the cameras? Blurry? Grainy? Generally low resolution? Bad picture at night? It would be good if you could post a picture to see what is wrong.

 

Theoretically you could connect any type of analogue camera if you can figure out the pin-out of the RJ45. But it's easier to get Samsung cams that are made for the unit. You can find them under "Accessories" in the Link that I posted.

[tomcctv 190]

 

 

 

 

rj systems are not the best to start with. as well as there cameras you will also find the dvr is cif res.

 

you can add other makes IF you know the cable code. but then you have another expence new cable and you also need to add a power supply.

 

 

i would save your money on adding extra cameras and put the money away and save up to upgrade later.

 

 

even looking at adding 2 more samsung rj cameras the price is going to be $380 plus there cable

[Soundy 1]

Assuming the included cameras all use the RJ-45 plugs, you should be able to add two more analog cameras via the two BNC connectors. Pretty much any analog camera should work, providing it uses the right video standard for your location (NTSC or PAL).

[koolmer 0]

 

 

 

 

rj systems are not the best to start with. as well as there cameras you will also find the dvr is cif res.

 

you can add other makes IF you know the cable code. but then you have another expence new cable and you also need to add a power supply.

 

 

i would save your money on adding extra cameras and put the money away and save up to upgrade later.

 

 

even looking at adding 2 more samsung rj cameras the price is going to be $380 plus there cable

 

Actually the DVR is 4CIF, look at the specs. That's why I asked for a picture.

[Soundy 1]

as well as there cameras you will also find the dvr is cif res.

Not according to the specs page:

 

NTSC: Up to 60ips @ 704x480

NTSC: Up to 120ips @ 704x240

NTSC: Up to 240ips @ 352x240

[tomcctv 190]

as well as there cameras you will also find the dvr is cif res.

Not according to the specs page:

 

NTSC: Up to 60ips @ 704x480

NTSC: Up to 120ips @ 704x240

NTSC: Up to 240ips @ 352x240

 

 

 

its like alot of the samsung specs. we took 1 of these out last year. the only way you could get a good frame rate was to run cif

 

all dvrs that list ips hide there true spec at 4cif it only did 3fps total max fps at cif is 120fps.

 

 

Assuming the included cameras all use the RJ-45 plugs, you should be able to add two more

analog cameras via the two BNC connectors.

 

 

that another problem ..... the BNC is tv out and spot

[riverfisher 0]

This is the unit. The cameras are decent for the cost, no knocking the product. What I would like to add is a nice outside camera that will have some reach. I would like to shoot a lower light area behind my building that is roughly 100 feet away to the center of the area. I would like a better resolution on this cam as I have had some break ins mostly gas theives.

 

The camras inside are again okay, not impressed with the field of view.

 

The unit is stock, 6 cameras but expandable to 8. So I could easily add 2 more to the existing jacks on the dvr but was hoping I could add 2 hopped up cameras.

Edited January 24, 2012 by Guest

[Soundy 1]

Assuming the included cameras all use the RJ-45 plugs, you should be able to add two more

analog cameras via the two BNC connectors.

 

 

that another problem ..... the BNC is tv out and spot

Are we looking at the same unit?

 

"Inputs 8 UTP Line(CH1-CH8), BNC 2 ports(CH1, CH2)"

[koolmer 0]

Assuming the included cameras all use the RJ-45 plugs, you should be able to add two more

analog cameras via the two BNC connectors.

 

 

that another problem ..... the BNC is tv out and spot

Are we looking at the same unit?

 

"Inputs 8 UTP Line(CH1-CH8), BNC 2 ports(CH1, CH2)"

 

I think he is trying to say that the BNC on the unit are the monitor outputs. Camera inputs are RJ45, but as I said before: If you can figure out the pin-out, you can connect any analogue camera. You'll need a balun of course.

[tomcctv 190]

Assuming the included cameras all use the RJ-45 plugs, you should be able to add two more

analog cameras via the two BNC connectors.

 

 

that another problem ..... the BNC is tv out and spot

Are we looking at the same unit?

 

"Inputs 8 UTP Line(CH1-CH8), BNC 2 ports(CH1, CH2)"

 

 

 

sorry just looked at the spec posted........... not the same as the uk one. infact that US spec has just helped me with fitting a standard camera to the one we have (the image was worse) just noticed on that spec cameras and dvr are 100ohms.

 

 

but even on the US spec there is a big mistake no video output listed they have add the BNC monitors to the camera input. the BNC are for monitors.

[irishkc_1 0]

We've been impressed with the quality and overall image we get from Pixim analog cameras and their warranty is hard to match. Samsung is trying to offer the integrator a near IP quality camera over existing coaxial cable, but you'll see that it falls a bit short. If your stuck with that DVR look to incorporate some Pixim cameras, great for lowlight and outdoor use.

[timsa 0]

I'm trying to find non-samsung cameras that are compatible with the Samsung SDE-4001 DVR. I understand that I could use the 2 BNC ports for use with just about any standard video camera. My goal is to find a way of connecting non-samsung cameras to ports other than 1 and 2. (which are all RJ45 with seemingly Samsung only pinout).

 

The Unshielded Twisted Pair (UTP) (RJ45) pinout for the DVR has the following:

 

Pin 1 CVBS+

Pin 2 CVBS-

Pin 3 Audio

Pin 4 Ground

Pin 5 12V

Pin 6 No connection

Pin 7 No connection

Pin 8 No connection

 

The video is sent on Pin 1 and 2 with a differential signal. Unfortunately this pinout is incompatible with many other cams that send differential video over UTP (RJ45).

 

It is possible to rewire Pin 1 and Pin 2 to some other pins for other cameras, but the question is.. what are the signal levels for pins 1 and 2. A typical standard would be RS422. If these two pins are using the RS422 standard then there are a number of cams which could be made to work with a little cable rewiring.

 

Does anyone know?

 

Thx,

Tim

[mrwalters 0]

Well, pretty simple straight forward question with a lot jibber jabber answers.

 

I was brought here via google search for the same question, whats the pinout for the rj45 (ethernet) connector to add new cameras. Luckily I didnt stop last here or I would have never got it done.

 

Just about any camera will do. make sure it is 12Vdc.

 

You will need to buy a balun. This changes the BNC 75 ohm signal and matches it for the twisted pair in the cat 5 you will be running (300 ohm)

The samsung unit has the other balun built in so you only need one balun on the camera side.

you can buy video baluns at cctv warehouses or online, they cost about 10 bucks a pair.

 

Using a standard RJ45 female connector (most probably the punchdown kind found in a wall jack. purchase this at radio shack or home depot.

 

1. Punch down a one foot section of Cat5 or Cat6 cable into the female rj45 connector. Make sure to follow the color code for the "B" colors. You can use any standard, but the color code pin-out below will be wrong in any other example.

 

2. Take the Brown and Brown-Stripe wire and wire them into the + and - of the balun.

 

3. Take the Orange-Stripe and Blue wire and plug them into the positive 12V camera connection

 

4. Take the Orange, Blue-Stripe, and Green Stripe and plug them into the negative 12V to the camera.

 

5. Allow the Green to hang free.

 

Use a short patch cable and plug the camera into the DVR and see if you have picture (Use a standard patch cable, never a crossover cable)

If no video swap the Brown and Brown-stripe around on the video balun and try again.

 

It really is quite simple. Hope this write up helps someone.

[swbrains 0]

I know this thread is ancient, but I found it looking for similar information about wiring a third-party SD analog camera for use with a Samsung 5001n DVR system. I wanted to share my experience here so it would be available for future Googlers.

 

DISCLAIMER: This worked for me. I'm not responsible for any problems or damage caused by following these instructions. You assume all risk for making any modifications to your cameras/system. You will void any camera warranties by making these modifications to them. YMMV -- I'm just sharing my successful experience in case it helps someone...

 

I needed to replace an original Samsung SEB-1005r bullet camera that had failed, so I purchased a couple of third-party cameras online to try with my system:

 

1) STOIC model STH-B2080W

2) TMEZON model MZ-CA-C3071P

 

Initially I purchased a third-party adapter that had BNC and power on one end and an RJ-45 jack on the other. It was not specifically stated as a Samsung SDE compatible adapter and it did not work.

 

Next, I purchased another third-party adapter that was BNC/Power to RJ-45 plug and came with an RJ-45 coupler to allow connecting to existing RJ-45 terminated cables running throughout my house to each camera. This adapter was stated as an SDE-5001 compatible adapter (I believe the 4001 also has the same wiring pinouts).

 

When I examined the wiring layout of the new adapter's RJ-45 plug more closely, I realized it only had three wires inside: Red, Black and Orange. Red is 12V+ power, Black is ground, and Orange is CVBS+ for the camera. The pinout for these wires inside the RJ-45 plug was as follows:

 

PIN 1: Orange (CVBS+)

PIN 4: Black (Ground)

PIN 5: Red (12V+)

 

Apparently, the CVBS- signal wire was was connected to the Black wire connected to PIN4, even though the Samsung pinout shows it separately going to PIN 2 as CVBS-.

 

The vendor sold the camera and adapter as a kit with additional cable, but it was close to $100. It also required a short coupler cable for the power (which was also included) to make up the male-to-male connection between the adapter and the camera power plugs. Between the connections for the adapter to the camera and the additional power coupler wire and the RJ-45 coupler, the whole thing was quite bulky and there would too many "parts" hanging outside next to the camera to look neat, not to mention the number of potential points of failure.

 

I decided to cut off the camera's BNC and power connectors, and discovered two red and one black wire coming from the camera power connector. There was a yellow wire coming from the camera's BNC center post connection. The yellow wire was wrapped in bare silver ground wire connected to the BNC outer shield. All wires were unfortunately stranded instead of solid which made them a bit more difficult to work with. I'm not sure why they used two red wires instead of one thicker power wire.

 

To make up the new RJ-45 jack connections directly to the camera (avoiding any BNC/power connectors or adapters), I used the three pin wiring scheme shown above. There was no need for a balun or any other hardware other than a typical RJ-45 keystone jack that I had in stock from the hardware store. Here are the steps I followed:

 

1) You may want to first test that you have a compatible camera using one of the working Samsung BNC/Power adapters first before you modify the camera wiring permanently to make sure the camera actually works with your DVR. If the camera works, take off the adapter and continue...

 

2) Cut off the power and BNC connectors from the camera (BTW, your warranty is now void).

 

3) Strip about 1/2" of the *outer* insulation on the power and BNC connection cables, exposing the inner wires. These inner wires include:

- Power cable: (2) red, (1) black, and

- BNC cable: (1) yellow wire wrapped in bare silver stranded ground wire

 

These wires were the same on both third-party cameras I converted.

Note, the red/black/yellow wires are most likely stranded and *very* fine gauge (noticeably thinner than 24 AWG CAT5). Be very careful when stripping them.

 

4) First separate all the bare stranded silver ground wire from the yellow (BNC) This will leave just the yellow wire extending out of the outer insulation. The bare wire will need to be connected somehow to another wire that will connect to PIN 2. I chose to solder a CAT5 wire to the silver ground wire and wrap it in electrical tape.

 

5) Now strip about 1/8" off the end of all wires. Twist the bare ends as much as possible. The two red power wires should be twisted together. I ended up tinning the wires at this point which helped greatly when punching them down into the jack, as they were too thin to stably stay punched by themselves. I did initially try just punching down the wires without stripping them, but they were too thin for the RJ-45 jack's connection "blades" to make a solid connection. Stripping, tinning and then punching down is strongly recommended.

 

6) I use the 586A layout for the CAT5 cables for my existing cameras, so my connections listed below will reflect 586A on the RJ-45 jack's punchdown connectors:

 

a) Connect the Yellow (BNC/CVBS+ signal) wire to the PIN 1 connector (Green/White)

b) Connect the lead from the bare ground wire (BNC/CVBS-) to the PIN 2 connector (Solid Green)

d) Connect the Black (Power Cable Ground) wire to the PIN 4 connector (Solid Blue)

d) Connect the two Red (12V+ power) wires to the PIN 5 connector (Blue/White)

 

For these connections, make sure you are punching down the bare, tinned ends and not the insulated part like you would for normal CAT5. Make sure the wires are snug and won't easily pull out when you're done punching them all down.

 

7) Set the two cables (the unstripped parts) in the center aisle between the two rows of connectors on the RJ-45 jack and install the dust cap on the top of the connection area.

 

That's it! Test your connections on your DVR!

 

I'm guessing at this point you could probably add some type of sealant to the RJ-45 jack to make it more weatherproof, especially if the camera will be exposed to the elements, but I'll leave that as an exercise for the reader. Luckily, all of my outside cameras are mounted directly under an overhang so they are exposed to very limited "direct" moisture. Some type of strain relief would probably also be helpful for the longevity of the connection. Again, an exercise for the reader...

 

FWIW, the TMEZON camera I purchased works fine and is IP66 rated, even though it has a cheap plastic case -- but it only cost $11 on Amazon! With $2 for an RJ-45 jack, I could create future replacement cameras for less than $15 each and about 15 minutes of my time to replace the BNC/Power connectors with an RJ-45 jack. Since I'm not ready to invest $1000+ in a completely new high-def system or run new cables, etc., this will help extend the life of my current system, even if it is only standard-def. It suits my purposes for a budget home system, and I'm now happy to be able to replace the original Samsung SEB-1005r cameras with currently-available products since we can't get the originals any more. Next I need to find a cheap, compatible dome-style camera replacement!

 

Good luck!