tomcctv

hi i recently bought an alien pro 16ch DVR and i would just like to hear wht the professionals think of this recorder????????

Hi richard. i used it once never again. and the price. you can buy alot better. why are you having problems. ??? frame lockup/ camera drop out/ and stuttering playback. the operating system is about 6 years old

In the configuration screeen, this DVR needs 2 ports need to be specified. I attached a screenshot to show this. The defaults are 80 and 8000. Both of these ports need to be opened in the router before the unit can be seen externally. The external login screen has boxes for username, password and port number. The port defaults to 8000. So it seems that it uses port 80 for http and 8000 for some other process.

 

Like I said, port 80 no longer works. I redirected incoming traffic on a different port to go to the router on port 80.

 

The video does work. But only for 3 seconds. If I select a different camera, that also works but only for 3 seconds. I created a new rule on the router directing incoming 5550 traffic to port 80 on the router. It made no difference. I can log in and browse around, but the video freezes 3 seconds after I select a camera to view.

thank for pic. your dvr port is the 8000 change that to 5555 and leave your http 80 port as it is. but you will have to portforward 5555 in your router. and then you should be ok using http://yourip:5555

I need to buy a single new high res camera for my geovision 1240, 8 channel analog capture card. Can I integrate a new network IP camera with high res into the existing geovision software.

 

If this is possible, what would I need to buy?

 

Thanks in advance.

no this is not possable with that card. but you can run along side (on your windows o/s) most ip cameras will come with viewer software. take a look at axis.

Sorry this is going to be complicated. My UK customer asked me to go out to China and install a CCTV system in his factory there. I used a Samsung SHR-5160 DVR. I did a port forwarding rule on the router there so that web traffic on the default Port 80 is sent to the DVR. The DVR also uses port 8000. I did another rule on the router to send this traffic to the DVR.

 

When I came back to the UK everything worked ok for a month, then we found that we could not log into the DVR remotely from the UK. However, the chinese office manager could see the video perfectly from his home in the same city. The chinese are famous for blocking various internet traffic (Great Firewall of China). I was immediately suspicious that they might have done something.

 

So I did another rule and moved the http traffic onto another port on the router. This allowed us to log into the DVR again, but when we look at the video we only see 3 seconds of motion before it freezes. The same also happens on playback. I tried various ports and got the same behaviour each time. The office manager still sees everything working perfectly at his home.

 

Has anyone got an idea of how I might fix this?

 

Ian

Hi Ian. port 80 will get blocked by some isp for inbound. and you also set a port to 8000. this will be classed as port 80. your best bet is to set up new ports around the 5555 mark i.e 5550. just remember to add this to your ip when you log in i.e http://yourip:5550

Hi everyone,

 

What type of cable should be use for PTZ cameras? Can we use RG59?

Thanks!

RG59 is fine with power. but you will also need data. so also use cat5. alongside your RG59. or you can use composite cable.

http://product-image.tradeindia.com/00311787/b/0/CCTV-Cable-.jpg

Nice update to website.Larry. and all the best for the new year to everyone on the forum

So I've seen the YouTube videos and seen the manufacturers info on it... but I was hoping to get to "play before I buy." Just emailed my account rep at Northern to get access to a remote Q24 that I could play with... No luck.

I was hoping someone on this forum would be willing to let me remote in and play for a day or 2.

I've got a client that I think this may be suitable for but wanted to play around it first before I recomended it....

 

Anybody wanna help a brotha out?

Hi i have been asking also for live demos from mobotix. and i have been given this site when you click on it click the english flag then at top click live. then pic the camera model you whant to see. not a good demo if that is what you get. pic quality is poor.

www.mobotix.ro

I would have white light Illuminator and a IP camera [say 1.2Mp]

running at 1/1000 it could check the car out before it even stopped at the

gate. mag sensors could turn that on.

 

A thermal camera will pick out any funky objects for sure

tho might be pretty hot under there. -the prices are coming down

 

I dont think a speed bump cam is not going give the Res you need to sus it

out right -tho it will give an overview -and it will need more light

 

for a whole view it might take 2 or 3 cams+ but hey that's easy

 

my 2c

speed bump cameras are very good. remember places still have guys with mirrors on poles. and the speed bump camera will see more. as far as thermal cameras. not under a car or truck. to much heat in its runing gear and bombs are not hot. (well till they go off) the speed bump camera system can be 1 upto 6 cameras looking under the cars. so type of install, 4 camera speed bump then just past the cameras a barrier so as cars and trucks have to drive slow over cameras and then stop at barrier.

demo. http://www.icruvss.com/html/demo.html

I hope someone can help me with an job I have that involves 1 camera (probably an extreme cctv WZ20) installed outside with a cable run that is 900 ft aprox form the DVR. I'm not sure what the best way to go is.

 

1. RG59-18/2 Siamese cable

2. RG59 with seperate Power cable

3. RG6-18/2 Siamese cable

4. RG6 with seperate power cable

5. Video/power Baluns over cat5 OSP cable

6. Video Baluns with seperate power cable

 

Also the camera has a power requirement of 8 watts@24Vac. I called tech support and they said no more than 2 volts drop.

 

is there an outdoor rated rg59 siamese or rg6 siamese? Do I need to run a power cable larger than #18? What should I look for in the specs of the rg cable?

 

Thanks for any help you can give.

i have used these a couple of times and are alot cheaper than fiber. also with the kit you get a power unit. it is good for 500m on coax manufatura says more but i would stick to 500m as max range

http://biwave89.myweb.hinet.net/product/product01.htm

Keep me updated it has higher resolution than the 830ex.

 

I’m sorry for confusing the issue here. Tomcctv mentioned the CNB camera and I had just purchased one. I found it to be a very good camera for my situation. His description of the settings were right on. Nevertheless, for a bar situation, I don’t think a day night camera would be the best choice. Depending on the lighting, wouldn’t it be on B/W all the time or in color all the time? The day night may even switch back and forth. Personally, I think B/W would be the best choice. B/W cameras provide better picture quality in lower light levels. I might put color cameras in normal or well lit exits, entrances or hallways to identify clothing color. For sure I’d put a good day night to cover parking lots. As for DSS, I find that it’s totally useless. Slow shutter speed may have its place in regular photography but not in CCTV. The local bar I dealt with uses what I described above and it works very well.

Hi metal shaper man. yes you are right. what i forgot to say was. the cnb has the option to keep /b/w or to go true day night or stay colour. so one camera with gives you a wide option in placing the camera. also yes it has dss that can also be turned on and off and it does slow down a little which make it ideal for around tvs/ monitors/fruit machines and fast flashing lights.

anyone?

do you not have a make or anything to post. or can you switch it on and see if it has a software name.

Hi there.

 

Just joined this forum.

 

Have been involved in the design and support of public CCTV systems for nearly 20 years now, both in the UK and elsewhere.

 

Regards

 

Ilkie

Hi ilk.

Is there a way to test if it's the backboard or just the camera?

 

There are several other sites which have PTZ coaxitron issues.

 

If they do go into their "dance" after reboot what else could it be?

then if the heads are fine after the test then its time to cable. best thing to do is strip and make new ends. on every camera. not just look.

have the cameras ever been serviced. ptz need it once a year. i have a vcl ptz just on 14 years old never gone down.

I have one Pelco Spectra 4 SE PTZ connected to a Pelco DX8000 DVR.

 

Both video and PTZ control is sent through a coax.

 

The camera has worked for three years but now is failing to move to the left or right.

 

I rebooted the camera, checked for voltage drops, switched DVR port, checked BNCs.

 

Sometimes the camera will say "Configuration failed" after a reboot of the camera.

 

Is this a camera, backboard, or wire issue?

sounds like camera. if it has been working for 3 years. a quick test for the pelco ptz. is to power it down for a few minutes and when you power it back up. watch the camera to see if it does a self test. (watch the head move) if this does not happen. remove service and test it.

Hi, I have been sitting around here in the last few weeks and reading thru this forum with all its topics, it seems to me that this forum is blessed with lots of good people who are willing to give away their spare time to give advice and help out other people with all their issues. Its really very impressive.!!!!

Saying that I figured why not shoot out my own problem and get an answer and live through the miracle myself, so here I come.

 

I have a GV1480 pc card with a usb gv com box.

I recently bought a Nuvico Z10 Ptz cam and for some reason nothing happens when i try to control it from the software.

its set up to id address 1 Baud 9600, box is on com 2.

I mapped the cam to the address but nothing doing. can anyone shed some light?

 

FYI, I set up the protocol on the software to Pelco Dome. maybe its wrong I dont know what else to set it to.

Hi try changing your baud to 2400.

KG 230EX

KG 830EX

GN-605D/N

KPC-SLL 650BH

 

After much research,l have come up with these cameras as my main choices,which one would be a better camera out of all of these.l have a lot of tvs giving off varied light surrounding the room,l would also like a nice wide angle view ie 2.8mm.Any feedback regarding these choices would be great.

Hi sf1964.

night clubs and bars with low light and also with so many flashing lights. is very hard to set up. i did a 32 camera system in a club. it was dark with black floors walls. before the install i tried lots of cameras ir/true daynight. and each had there problems. but i did find a camera i had total control over. and the picture quality was very good.

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Instead of telling you how everything about your plan an situation is horrible, i'll tell you a bit about the market on CCTV.

 

There's very little to no middle ground. If you want excellent quality you pay excellent quantatiy. You're best bet is to get her approval on the quality of the system BEFORE it's installed and payed for. Any reputable salesman or business will have some means for you to be able to preview the quality of the gear your looking at (and they should be able to stream it to a remote location for her preview). If the owner says it's good enough for her before you tell her a price then she has no right to complain after you make the deal and install the system.

 

Secondly, the solution that always seems easiest to me when you need quality capable of identification is making sure there's only one entrance to your store and when they come in put a big over the top bullet cam right in their faces and say smile. It not only does it's job as a detterent immediately it provides a close enough shot that if something goes down in other areas of the store where you can't identify them by face you have a good shot of their clothes/hat/identifying features that you can reference to your close up they took on the way in.

 

You can do this project within your budget. You're listenting to a bunch of seasoned CCTV vets who's first instinct is always to tell the customer about their over the top expectations (because frankly it's the case 99% of the time). But in this case, especially when you may have the ability to bottleneck any potential suspects and get a close up, it's certainly doable.

I take it dejota you are a salesman. what you are saying is so long as you have 1 camera on the whole system looking at the doorway and getting a good face image then the rest of the system does not matter. what a good excuse for selling a crap system.

According to me it is not at all neccessary to spend $500 to $700 for a complete security system

 

What complete security system costs less than $500?

 

Best,

Christopher

crap cameras very crap dvr thats what you get for $500.

in birmingham at the police cctv team. they collect 100 a month which only 5% will be used.

 

it sounds like those cops need some more training.

Hi rory. its not training they need. its the dvrs. they remove the h/drive and as soon as they connect it to a pc it wants to format. or just lately on some of the cheap stuff not only do the dvrs have passwords but when you remove the drive and install it into a reader and that is also pass worded. yes the team can spend time and get the footage off but they will not bother for say a shop lifter or a domestic dispute its just not worth it.

I'm really confused Tom. The link you provided said nothing about them not using the footage so long as the person providing it was, in effect, responsible in chioce of equpment and how they used it. Basic stuff anyone installing CCTV should consider (Picture quality, easy equipment to use, ability to export recorded data to appropraite mediums).

 

I don't know the laws over there so I don't actually know what I'm talking about, but going just off the link you provided it seemed it was just common sense advice to me.

 

Lastly, spending 100 pounds on a DVR would fall under things they didn't recomment. A 50 dollar DVR from China...well it's going to be a piece of crap and you'll have 0 support from the company for any potential issues (installing, recovering data, tech support).

 

If you buy a Dell/Mac you know they'll be there to help you ever step of the way, if you go and buy a knock off $100 computer from Bob's Discount Electronics you just don't expect that. Take the same approach to DVRs and security equipment.

 

Hi dejota. ease of use ......(post, cant remove footage) must play footage back without 3rd party software/ ability to export recorded data to approprite mediums. none of which the secbo sdvr-b-p04 can do.

 

my point about my post is ebay crap is crap. when cctv was about footage on a video tape end users could not go wrong now with digital end users go for price. or how many flashing lights and how it looks. without looking at the important stuff like ease of use , does it burn to pen/cd/dvd along with the player. people buy cctv for home use to protect them from problems. buying cheap crap only gives you another problem. you have some very good budget systems on the market like the Avermedia 1304 sata or the Avertech both for not alot more money.

 

Im not aware of any UK legislation that states "must play footage back without 3rd party software" or anything similar.

 

You should include any playback software required to view footage when you provide the footage, and if possible a guide on how to use the viewer if its not something they are likely to be familiar with.

There are no definate guidelines for what is acceptable cctv footage in court, it is up the the court at the end of the day what they will allow, or not.

 

I have never had any problem giving the police evidence that requires playback software to be used (such as geovision exports, visimetrics fastar archives).

Hi Ken. dvrs like geovision and the like. the police have software to open these folders then THEY put the footage into a format for the courts. now with the system in the original post it has its own (no name) while on my travels around the uk collecting footage i can collect 3-4 a day and only 1 would be able to be used. in birmingham at the police cctv team. they collect 100 a month which only 5% will be used.

so we can keep quiet on here about crap from ebay or educate people thinking of installing cctv as a d-i-y.

Installed Paige Plenum RG59 18/2 95% copper braid cable instead of cheap RCA type Siamese. Check the following link for image quality comparison:

http://s792.photobucket.com/albums/yy204/alschmid/

nice images bantham. nice clear job. was that for a customer or for yourself.

Does anyone know of any Geovision training, online or off, paid or free? Employer is willing to pay for training on these systems but I can't seem to find anything available. Any help is appreciated.

 

Rob

where are you based duckhere ???

I'm really confused Tom. The link you provided said nothing about them not using the footage so long as the person providing it was, in effect, responsible in chioce of equpment and how they used it. Basic stuff anyone installing CCTV should consider (Picture quality, easy equipment to use, ability to export recorded data to appropraite mediums).

 

I don't know the laws over there so I don't actually know what I'm talking about, but going just off the link you provided it seemed it was just common sense advice to me.

 

Lastly, spending 100 pounds on a DVR would fall under things they didn't recomment. A 50 dollar DVR from China...well it's going to be a piece of crap and you'll have 0 support from the company for any potential issues (installing, recovering data, tech support).

 

If you buy a Dell/Mac you know they'll be there to help you ever step of the way, if you go and buy a knock off $100 computer from Bob's Discount Electronics you just don't expect that. Take the same approach to DVRs and security equipment.

Hi dejota. ease of use ......(post, cant remove footage) must play footage back without 3rd party software/ ability to export recorded data to approprite mediums. none of which the secbo sdvr-b-p04 can do.

my point about my post is ebay crap is crap. when cctv was about footage on a video tape end users could not go wrong now with digital end users go for price. or how many flashing lights and how it looks. without looking at the important stuff like ease of use , does it burn to pen/cd/dvd along with the player. people buy cctv for home use to protect them from problems. buying cheap crap only gives you another problem. you have some very good budget systems on the market like the Avermedia 1304 sata or the Avertech both for not alot more money.

thanks for all the replies.

 

the dvr comes in 2 models....

 

1) USB memory stick backup (which has a menu option to do this),

 

and my version which is...

 

2) PC-link USB interface (put a USB cable between the DVR and my PC for backup by software onto my PC's hard drive).

 

Mine came with 'DX Client' software, which has only managed to detect everything properly once. (tried on my desktop XP, and my laptop Vista)

 

However, I've just noticed that the pictures in the manual show screen prints of a software with 'PC viewer D6' noted along the top.

 

cant find a genuine site for this on google.

 

anyone know where i can get this from to eliminate it as a possible reason?

Hi just down loaded the manual. first remove all software from your pc that you loaded when you installed the disk. then connect your dvr to your pc and wait for icon to come on screen click on it and it will then ask you to install the software.

if you are in the uk the police or the courts will not use your footage. they also need to use the software that came with the dvr. they wont bother.

like said in the other post connect a video recorder to the bnc output and record it from there.

another ebay cctv system. from china. the cost of the dvr with 500g h/d £100 take away the cost of the h/d and the dvr is £50 WHY WHY BUY IT you cant even call it budget system i have paid more for a pair of socks. the most important part of a cctv system is the dvr. this is what holds the footage. the information you have recorder. if you cant get it off just put it in the bin and again if you are in the uk your footage can not be used.

http://www.cctvengineer.com/home%20office.pdf

SORRY ABOUT ME VENTING OFF

hi,

 

after years of hassle from an ASBO neighbour, I finally took the police's advice in July, and bought some cameras.

 

1 x SECBO SDVR-B-P04 4 Channel CCTV DVR System (500GB HDD Installed)

4 x SONY CCD 24IR CCTV Blakc Dome Cameras

4 x 66 FT (20m) CCTV BLACK Camera Cables

1 x 12V 5A Power Supply AC Adaptor

 

it came with the software DXClient, but when I connected the DVR by USB cable to either my laptop or desktop pc, it didnt show what the cameras were seeing or what was stored on the HDD.

NB: It worked once for a few minutes, but hasnt since.

the DVR's HDD didnt show up on mycomp like an external HDD usually would, but it was definately being detected as the dvr screen showed this and i also needed to click 'safely remove hardware' in windows when finished.

 

I contacted the ebay shop where i bought it from (the manufacturer based in HongKong), but gave up trying to sort the problem out after going around and round in circles.

 

the presence of cameras thankfully acted as a deterent (until 3 days ago).

 

My problem now is that i urgently need to backup an incident before it records over.

 

any help much appreciated

HI gooty.

you cant go usb from dvr to usb on your pc. your pc is windows and your dvr is linux. you need to put a usb memory stick into your dvr and do your back-up to that. then play it on your pc. were are you ???