Fallenhero 0 Posted December 23, 2015 Hi I have stand alone system....the encode record option gives me 960H/D1/HD1/CIF I can set it to D1 and all others but not 960H...I have 960H cameras...but when it set to that the picture freezes.This system has it own monitor inbuild I thought D1 was 4:3 and 960H was 16:9 why cant I set it to 960H with the cameras.. Or will it still record to the 16:9 format being set to D1...so confused how the 960H thing works.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SunnyKim 2 Posted December 23, 2015 Hi I have stand alone system....the encode record option gives me 960H/D1/HD1/CIF I can set it to D1 and all others but not 960H...I have 960H cameras...but when it set to that the picture freezes.This system has it own monitor inbuild I thought D1 was 4:3 and 960H was 16:9 why cant I set it to 960H with the cameras.. Or will it still record to the 16:9 format being set to D1...so confused how the 960H thing works.. There should be No 960H cameras. All analog cameras ouput NTSC or PAL signal. The 960H is the format (size) at DVR, not camera side, when the TV signals are digitized in D1 size or 960H size at the receiving end, DVR. If your DVR do not understand 960H format, you may set it to D1 format for all cameras. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fallenhero 0 Posted December 24, 2015 Why are camera sold as 960h??? If the cameras are just pal or NTSC for output. What does the 960h option do in the dvr just make the picture widescreen in 960h mode when its recording ...so d1 would be the better option anyway..forgive am very new to all this.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tomcctv 187 Posted December 24, 2015 Hi I have stand alone system....the encode record option gives me 960H/D1/HD1/CIF I can set it to D1 and all others but not 960H...I have 960H cameras...but when it set to that the picture freezes.This system has it own monitor inbuild I thought D1 was 4:3 and 960H was 16:9 why cant I set it to 960H with the cameras.. Or will it still record to the 16:9 format being set to D1...so confused how the 960H thing works.. There should be No 960H cameras. All analog cameras ouput NTSC or PAL signal. The 960H is the format (size) at DVR, not camera side, when the TV signals are digitized in D1 size or 960H size at the receiving end, DVR. If your DVR do not understand 960H format, you may set it to D1 format for all cameras. Why do you reply to posts ...... What has pal or NTSC got to do with 960h ? Yes there is 960h cameras and yes you need a 960h dvr to display them at 19:9 format. ........................ It sounds like you have a cheap China unit with having a built in monitor ..... Your cameras should still show at D1 and 960 .... But it sounds like your system can't cope with 960 as it locks out All you can do is run at D1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SunnyKim 2 Posted December 26, 2015 Why do you reply to posts ...... What has pal or NTSC got to do with 960h ? Yes there is 960h cameras and yes you need a 960h dvr to display them at 19:9 format. ........................ It sounds like you have a cheap China unit with having a built in monitor ..... Your cameras should still show at D1 and 960 .... But it sounds like your system can't cope with 960 as it locks out All you can do is run at D1 The same reason you are replying to posts. You are respected with more than 6000 posts. But not respected if you do not respect others. To your question, "What has pal or NTSC got to do with 960h ?" ... Not easy to explain to you, a CCTV specialist. Nobody, even Sony, produces sensors fit for true 960H. And it will not. And you can see the cameras selling as "960H", whether you buy or not. No reason to argue with. Better reason with a wolf. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SunnyKim 2 Posted December 26, 2015 Why are camera sold as 960h??? If the cameras are just pal or NTSC for output.What does the 960h option do in the dvr just make the picture widescreen in 960h mode when its recording ...so d1 would be the better option anyway..forgive am very new to all this.. D1 size has 720 pixels of Horizontal Line, while 960H has 960H pixels, giving you 33% more of digitized sample of pixels. It may give you a somewhat illusion of better image. The quality of video depends on its processors inside the DVR box, as well. But true, 960H is the newer than D1. Therefore, techncially more advanced in its image processing algorithms. Thus, maybe leading to a better image. So, I do not claim that D1 would be a better option. Let me tell you this. Suppose you are making 960H sensor, fitting Wide Screen. Then How do you deal with Compatibility issue with old D1 DVRs? If no options are given or available on a camera side, that means No True 960H Sensor. No true 960H camera. Who cares the price has dropped down so badly for dealers and manufactureres? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tomcctv 187 Posted December 26, 2015 Why do you reply to posts ...... What has pal or NTSC got to do with 960h ? Yes there is 960h cameras and yes you need a 960h dvr to display them at 19:9 format. ........................ It sounds like you have a cheap China unit with having a built in monitor ..... Your cameras should still show at D1 and 960 .... But it sounds like your system can't cope with 960 as it locks out All you can do is run at D1 The same reason you are replying to posts. You are respected with more than 6000 posts. But not respected if you do not respect others. To your question, "What has pal or NTSC got to do with 960h ?" ... Not easy to explain to you, a CCTV specialist. Nobody, even Sony, produces sensors fit for true 960H. And it will not. And you can see the cameras selling as "960H", whether you buy or not. No reason to argue with. Better reason with a wolf. Read your own post again. There should be No 960H cameras. All analog cameras ouput NTSC or PAL signal. The 960H is the format (size) at DVR, not camera side, when the TV signals are digitized in D1 size or 960H size at the receiving end, DVR. If your DVR do not understand 960H format, you may set it to D1 format for all cameras. What has NTSC or PAL have to do with 960h res ? I hope you understand there are 960h cameras to go with 960h recorders ....... Yes you can run D1 and it will be D1 with only using standard cameras But even in your mixed up post you make confusing reading Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aibudo 0 Posted December 26, 2015 I'm not a "major" poster and/or an engineer, but,,,, NTSC is the standard broadcast format in the United States, while PAL is the standard broadcast format in Europe. Not that Wikipedia is the ultimate source, but you might look at this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PAL 960H, D1 (4CIF), 2CIF, CIF, MPEG, etc are resolution options. You can have different resolution options within NTSC and PAL. It's kind of like the difference between the US Standard (NTSC)and Metric (PAL). The are different units of measurement (resolutions) within each. Don't know if that makes any sense to you or not, but that's the best I can do right now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tomcctv 187 Posted December 26, 2015 I'm not a "major" poster and/or an engineer, but,,,, NTSC is the standard broadcast format in the United States, while PAL is the standard broadcast format in Europe. Not that Wikipedia is the ultimate source, but you might look at this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PAL 960H, D1 (4CIF), 2CIF, CIF, MPEG, etc are resolution options. You can have different resolution options within NTSC and PAL. It's kind of like the difference between the US Standard (NTSC)and Metric (PAL). The are different units of measurement (resolutions) within each. Don't know if that makes any sense to you or not, but that's the best I can do right now. Hi. I think most people know about NTSC and PAL my question was WHY has sunnykim brought it into the ops post .... It's a problem that no one is even talking about He is also wrong about 960h being dvr end ...... It is Infact camera and dvr ....... 960h camera 960h compatible dvr Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aibudo 0 Posted December 27, 2015 tomcctv, I wasn't disagreeing with you. I was actually trying to agree with you. Guess it didn't come out right in trying educate fallenhero. Dennis Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SunnyKim 2 Posted December 28, 2015 Please allow me to elaborate more on 960H. I do not think any sensor makers are producing image sensors, fit for True 960H, as said above. The price dropped so badly. They lost any interests to revamp anything for 960H, moving into HD Mega Pixels, in stead. That may explain why I commented there were no 960H sensors and would be no 960H sensors and cameras. All analog cameras are supposed to output either PAL or NTSC -Analog TV signal. The signal is sampled and digitized at a video decoder inside any DVR box. If digitized/sampled for 960 pixels per line, we call it "960H" format. If digitized for 720 pixels per line, we call it "D1" format. The old CIF format, 360 pixels or 352 pixels per line, comes from the D1 format. As the format 960H comes out newer than D1, we may say the image quality could be better, simply because newer / better image processing algorithms could be applied for 960H, letting alone the fact that 960H gives more 33% pixels than 720H(D1) per line. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
