System Update

[eddie.felson 0]

I have a 16 camera cctv system, it is about 16 years old and I find myself updating hardware about every 4 years.  In 2018 I upgraded my cameras to 2.1MP (1920x1080).  The first generation of Starlight cameras were just available then but I didn’t have $700 to spend on each camera then.  4MP was hot stuff in 2018.

About 2 weeks ago I had a lightening strike.  It works out that all I needed is a new surge protector.  I did learn that my home owner’s policy “The Hertford” did not want to pay up because by their logic “electronic” stuff is not covered. 

While I was diagnosing and sorting out the damage, at the same time I updated my research on CCTV hardware.  The newer cameras and advanced DVR analytics have a great deal of attraction for me.

My existing coax wiring is fine.  It would be an expensive PITA to pull new IP POE all over.  My lot is only 100x100 so I don’t need to see anything much past 65’.

I have always used Alibi (Hikvision) hardware until now but since Alibi would not sell me the professional grade cameras and DVR I want, I went shopping and went with Dahua this time.

My 2021 parts list:

(9)    5MP night color bullet cameras

(2)    8MP night color bullet cameras

(1)   8MP starlight dome

(1)   32 camera enterprise “Extreme Series” DVR with four 10TB SATA hard drives.

All cameras are motorized vari-focal, between 0.030- 0.005 lux, and WDR.  My minimum “Recognize” distance should be about 60 feet or better.  My minimum “Identify” distance should be 25-30 feet. Naturally the only place I might consider using a microphone is the dome camera at my front door and that is the only camera without a built in microphone.

There was a time not that long ago I might have done the install myself. That is no longer possible.

Lord willing I hope to get the cameras and DVR installed very soon.  I am keeping four interior cameras of the 16 total cameras.  With new 1500VA UPS battery, four 10TB AI surveillance Seagate hard drives, one 10G Switch, (3) surge protectors; my hardware budget is just under $5,500.

I will be using new PC software and a new phone app.  There is always a learning curve.  I look forward to smart searches by face detection and vehicles.  When I get all sorted out to my satisfaction I’ll post updates.  8mp night color cameras should be sweet.

 

Edited May 21, 2021 by eddie.felson
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[tomcctv 187]

5 hours ago, eddie.felson said:

my hardware budget is just under $5,500.

hi. I wish you had used forum first. 
 

also looking at your list ….. your first mistake is going 32 way when only using 16 cameras 

a 32 only does 1 to 5 fps for 8mp (4K) which is useless 

cameras must be Ai along with a Ai recorder

or Tioc which is dahua Ai range. 

6 hours ago, eddie.felson said:

four 10TB AI surveillance Seagate hard drives, one 10G Switch,

Sounds like you have been a salesman’s dream 

There is no point or reason why you would use a Ai drive in a standalone dvr …. It is built into dvr and camera Ai drive is used for pc …. Plus dahua 32 only takes 2 10tb hard drives and with the dvr being h265 that basically turns a 10tb hard drive into 20tb so only two 10tb gives you 40tb …… enough recording for 8 months 

why do you also need a 10g switch with bnc system ?

while typing this I logged into dahua trade 

16 way recorder full Ai full 4K with 16 motorized Ai Tioc 4K cameras

less than half your budget and that from dahua direct

[eddie.felson 0]

Let me sort this out line by line. 

I may add cameras later but 32 camera DVR was my method to use (4) 10TB hard drives. 

and I wanted the most advanced analytics possible with coax.

I need a 10G switch because I have (2) 10G workstations and a 10G NAS. 

monitoring 16 cameras does bog down my network speeds, or at least it did at one time.

Cameras are AI, DVR is AI, Seagate drives are AI.

I don't like talking cameras.  I don't know how to log into Dahua trade.

Can I buy Dahua direct?

DVR spec is 4k(1fps-7fps) or 5mp(1fps-12fps) all channel.  we will see how that goes. 

Cameras max out at 15fps each,  currently (6) 2.1mp cameras record continuously and 10 record only on motion.

DVR is a CSP-32xtr-512 I assume it is  a Dahua?

Thank you

 

 

 

[tomcctv 187]

8 hours ago, eddie.felson said:

I need a 10G switch because I have (2) 10G workstations and a 10G NAS. 

Ok still not need 

9 hours ago, eddie.felson said:

Cameras are AI, DVR is AI, Seagate drives are AI.

Using Ai hard drive in a standalone lynx it only reverts to a normal drive

 

9 hours ago, eddie.felson said:

DVR is a CSP-32xtr-512 I assume it is  a Dahua?

Yes your right it is a dahua and that’s we’re your problem starts 

it’s not Ai

it s 5mp only max ….. so it’s down grading your 8mp to 5mp

it does not support Ai hard drives so it’s running them as standard (Ai drives only work on windows)

same with Ai cameras if your recorder is no Ai then you can’t set cameras up ….. they just run as HD analog

 

$5.500  you have been ripped off and you need to question your supplier as to why

 

9 hours ago, eddie.felson said:

CSP-32xtr-512

Is a 5 year old  unit ….. yes it has facial recognition but that’s far from being Ai

[eddie.felson 0]

from seller website:

THESE 8MP HD CAMERAS ARE ONLY COMPATIBLE WITH OUR LATEST 4K DVR UNITS WITH MODEL NUMBERS ENDING IN (-4 AND -512). OLDER RECORDERS ARE UNABLE TO DISPLAY 8MP IMAGES.

my DVR is a -512 ending.

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while typing this I logged into dahua trade 

I would like to learn how to do that.

Second time:  Can I buy Dahua direct? 

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Have any support that NVR and DVR never support AI drives?

Install is this next Tuesday AM,  I'll report on how things do or do not work out for me.

 

 

[tomcctv 187]

Ok I found a US links to your dvr it’s a hybrid 

$2.999  but all 3 sites have reduced it to $1.400 that’s a knock down of $1.599 

mans that will be performance problems 

 

46 minutes ago, eddie.felson said:

I would like to learn how to do that.

 Second time:  Can I buy Dahua direct? 

No ….. I have delt with dahua for over 10 years you need an account for sales and ftp hardware site. 
 

46 minutes ago, eddie.felson said:

Have any support that NVR and DVR never support AI drives?

The problem with any standalone dvr is they will run without any hard drive. 
hard drive is only needed for storage not recorder control. The BIOS does not support Ai it will only run as a standard drive

you can’t swap any dvr hard drive and insert a Ai drive and call the old system a Ai system

[eddie.felson 0]

Mostly good news, the install and aiming of 13 cameras only required 4 hours labor, half of what I budgeted.   While the 5MP cameras support 20fps the DVR limits those same cameras to only 12fps.   My one hidden camera was 960H but because my DVR likes it it is now 5mp. 

I wanted to send along a screen capture but for some reason SmartPSS software does not make prt-scr easy. 

(10) 5mp cameras were installed 3.7mm lens. (3) 8mp cameras were installed 2.8mm lens, that is least possible zoom and maximum cross coverage. With my one dog on my patio I have him on 4 cameras at one time.  When he scans my evergreens for bird nests at night I can now quickly find him. 

With mostly 2.1MP cameras I have to focus my cameras on most critical views.  With 5mp or 8mp I can include broader views and still capture better detail.

With least zoom my DORI distances are also minimum.  My Identify distances range from 20'-30'; fine for my small property.  It is the price one pays for not using zoom but on my small property I am not losing anything.

As disk reporting goes I have used 2.36 TB out of 36TB in 8 days or .295 TB per day.    So I should have a 122 day archive, as a guess. 

Night IR is so good I have put off trying night color.  I will some day. Perhaps later this week.

In spite of all the expectations of doom and gloom I am well pleased with my investment. 

Thanks to one and all for their gracious assistance.