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Very weird question, I know... I just did a search for "temperature display" and only got 11 results, and none of them were related to my question.

 

To preface my odd request:

 

Here's the deal. I travel a LOT. I'm out of town for sometimes weeks, or months at a time. This is how I got into CCTV initially to watch over my house remotely while away.

 

One winter I came home to find my heat not working, and the house was about 54-56 degrees fahrenheit. (i live alone, and usually set the heat at 68 when i leave if its winter time)

 

I am out of town again for 3 months as I type this (i am in Iraq, other side of the world from home). I logged in remotely 2 days ago (i have indoor and outdoor cameras) and saw snow on the ground. This got me thinking... i wonder if my heat is working this time. How great would it be to be able to see the outdoor temp on the display of one of the outdoor cams, and the indoor temp on the display of one of the indoor cams!

 

Which brings me to my question:

 

What is the best way to have indoor and outdoor temperatures displayed on the screen?

 

(i thought about buying one of those indoor/outdoor weather stations from brookstone or something, and then aiming a camera at that. but thats kind of ghetto, plus you wouldnt be able to see the weather station display if it was dark in the room)

 

thanks all!

 

i hope somebody can share some great info about this!

 

oh, im not sure if this matters at all, but here is what im working with currently (until february when i add 4 more cameras)

 

--G4-8RTA-D1 DVR w/ 500g HDD

--(3) G4-400HPT High-Res Infrared Color Camera

--G4-9CH-10AMP power supply

--IntelliPix IPX-520-DN DPS WDR Day/Night Camera w/ 2.8-12mm Manual Iris Varifocal Lens

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Very weird question, I know... I just did a search for "temperature display" and only got 11 results, and none of them were related to my question.

 

To preface my odd request:

 

Here's the deal. I travel a LOT. I'm out of town for sometimes weeks, or months at a time. This is how I got into CCTV initially to watch over my house remotely while away.

 

One winter I came home to find my heat not working, and the house was about 54-56 degrees fahrenheit. (i live alone, and usually set the heat at 68 when i leave if its winter time)

 

I am out of town again for 3 months as I type this (i am in Iraq, other side of the world from home). I logged in remotely 2 days ago (i have indoor and outdoor cameras) and saw snow on the ground. This got me thinking... i wonder if my heat is working this time. How great would it be to be able to see the outdoor temp on the display of one of the outdoor cams, and the indoor temp on the display of one of the indoor cams!

 

Which brings me to my question:

 

What is the best way to have indoor and outdoor temperatures displayed on the screen?

(i thought about buying one of those indoor/outdoor weather stations from brookstone or something, and then aiming a camera at that. but thats kind of ghetto, plus you wouldnt be able to see the weather station display if it was dark in the room)

 

thanks all!

 

i hope somebody can share some great info about this!

 

oh, im not sure if this matters at all, but here is what im working with currently (until february when i add 4 more cameras)

 

--G4-8RTA-D1 DVR w/ 500g HDD

--(3) G4-400HPT High-Res Infrared Color Camera

--G4-9CH-10AMP power supply

--IntelliPix IPX-520-DN DPS WDR Day/Night Camera w/ 2.8-12mm Manual Iris Varifocal Lens

 

Probably complicated but ...

temp sensor --> A/D converter ---> text inserter

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thank you for the fast replies and suggestions

 

however, in iraq, i do not have a cell phone that works. if i need to make a phone call, we have a shared office phone (satellite phone) that must be routed through an operator on the army base. so any temperature solution that uses telephone technology wouldnt work for me.

 

i would like to be able to login to my CCTV DVR remotely and be able to see the temp.

 

keep the ideas coming! i love learning new things

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Probably complicated but ...

temp sensor --> A/D converter ---> text inserter

 

this has my curiousity peaked. i have zero experience using a/d converters and text inserters in the CCTV world. would you happen to have any great links that would provide me with some further reading (or maybe interesting pictures)?

 

i will also make use of the search function, too, and see what i can scrounge up on those items. (cost, installation info, where to buy, practicality, etc)

 

thank you!

 

and, of course, if anybody else has other suggestions, id love to hear about them!

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so what do think of the temp sensor --> A/D converter ---> text inserter suggestion, scorpion? is it practical?

 

 

There is a lot of practicality from an a designer / installer point of view.

 

I am thinking of all of the McDonalds, BK, Wendy's, Subways, Chili's, Denny's ect. ect. ect. that need video surveillance, and need to monitor all of the walk in coolers, walk in freezers, prep cooler, cook cooler, salad cooler, sandwich bain marie, and drink refridgerators that can cause a health inspection report failure due to temps being out of range.

 

Here in Florida the Sub shop industry has the hardest time with meeting this standard.

 

Look at a sub shop where all of the ingredients are stored in an open air containers. A thermometer has to be stuck in to the food, and the temp range should come close to the 40 degree mark. At the top of the food during none rush the temps can rise to above 45 degrees, and temps taken at the bottom of the container can reach freezing.

 

In the old days the thermoter was put in to the storage area under the food, and you had to meet temp there. Now the food at the top is measured above rather than down in the refriderated area.

 

There was a wide flurry of equipment that was on sale at local used restaurant suppliers, classified ads, and on ebay. This equipment could not meet the new specs. The big guns with the big money could afford to retro fit new compressors in to old equipment, or to buy outright new equipment.

 

Can you imagine coming back from on a Friday when a freezer died on Wed night when you left midday for the holiday??

 

How much does the meat in your home freezer add up to then imagine a large size restaurant.

 

Does this have merit? Yes! I do think so.

 

There are alot of temp equipment that can be tied to alarm systems, and that is what is mostly used.

 

I think a multi store / restaurant owner would love to do a "walking tour" of all of his restaurants, and to actually see the real temp of every device via IP.

 

If there was a food borne illness a restaurant's main office can lower their risks by documenting temps from a central location. If a temp is close to being out of range then an in house tech could be sent right away before it can become a problem.

 

In a court situation they could prove that they were not "negligent" as they were proactive rather than reactive.

 

Where do we go from here?

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yes, i can see it would be a necessity for some business's.

 

i was speaking more in the terms of home use, just for me to login and see the temperature at my house via cctv dvr, in the terms of "cost" would it be very practical?

 

i did some research and cant seem to find the products that i would need to use to make this happen, so i dont really know how much it would cost me.

 

for example, if it would cost me $2,000 to do the temp sensor -> a/d converter -> text display, then it would just be totally impractical for my use, and i wouldnt consider it.

 

i guess what im asking is, can anybody help steer me more in the right direction? i havent found any information so far to integrate the temp display on my cctv system yet. ive only found stand alone solutions that use either computer software, or a telephone.

 

thanks again

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How about placing a thermometer with a nice large LED display in a camera's field of view? If you have any spare cameras, you could point one directly at it and also get humidity levels which is also important in some regions.

 

--

Marc

 

hello marc!

 

This is a great idea. I thought about doing this initially, but realized there were a few drawbacks (also see my explanation in my first post in this thread on it)

 

*if its dark in the room, i wouldnt be able to see the LCD display when logging in

*if the battery dies on the device while im away (which seems like every couple of months i have to replace either the battery on the indoor device or the sensor mounted outside) its useless

*id have to dedicate a camera to it

 

still not a bad idea, though. it may be a great alternative if i cant find another method to make this work.

 

the main reasons id like to integrate it into the onscreen display are:

*can view the temp anytime i log in, day or night

*do not need to dedicate a camera to it

*will be on the same battery backups that the rest of my cctv system is on, unlike the battery powered weather station that i have, so never need to worry about batteries.

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mobotix megapixel cams have an internal temp that can be displayed - no need to do any text overlay, temp integration etc -easy

 

also you can set an event based on temp.. so if temp goes above or below send an email, etc

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mobotix megapixel cams have an internal temp that can be displayed - no need to do any text overlay, temp integration etc -easy

 

also you can set an event based on temp.. so if temp goes above or below send an email, etc

 

wow. thats a great recommendation, and the cameras look great i got really excited, until i realized that mobotix cameras all appear to be IP cams only

 

is there a chance that i am wrong on this? do they make any of these cameras that are non-IP cams?

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mobotix megapixel cams have an internal temp that can be displayed - no need to do any text overlay, temp integration etc -easy

 

also you can set an event based on temp.. so if temp goes above or below send an email, etc

 

I believe hi wants External temp

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mobotix megapixel cams have an internal temp that can be displayed - no need to do any text overlay, temp integration etc -easy

 

also you can set an event based on temp.. so if temp goes above or below send an email, etc

 

I believe hi wants External temp

 

yes, i want the room temperature inside my house and the air temp outside of the house.

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What is going through my mind?

 

Adrenaline! Those "thought juices" that flow when you are in that state of creating, or problem solving, and staring at a pile of data sheets!!

 

I apologize for how this is written. I know you are extremely technical, but I have tried to make this simple for someone who would like to enter the world of electronics. People are brought to this forum from google searches, and I typed this up with them in mind as they "land" here. This will allow each individual to work at their own skill level. You can buy a breadboard. This will allow you to put parts together to make a project so that you do not have to solder.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breadboard

 

You can solder if you have the skill, or if you wish to learn.

 

http://www.aaroncake.net/electronics/solder.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dkragEKSKI

 

For those of you who do not know how to solder but want to make the project more permanent then you can learn to wire wrap.

 

http://www.me.umn.edu/courses/me2011/robot/wrap/wrap.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wire_wrap

 

No matter how you build it use sockets for the IC. You can reuse the chips later for other projects, or for simple repairs, and redesign.

 

 

Project X

 

Budget is economical.

Must be easy to build.

Must be easy to maintain.

Must be assembled off of easy to obtain parts.

Must not draw a lot of energy.

 

I do not have a design, or a schematic off the top of my head.

 

The first thing that comes to mind are the 74 series of IC chips.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7400_series

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_7400_series_integrated_circuits

 

http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~jones/logicsim/man/node5.html

 

http://www.kpsec.freeuk.com/components/74series.htm

 

http://forum.allaboutcircuits.com/showthread.php?t=10655

 

http://www.google.com/search?q=clock+made+with+74+series+ic+chips&rls=com.microsoft:*&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&startIndex=&startPage=1

 

 

Resistor color code converter

http://www.ese.upenn.edu/rca/calcjs.html

 

 

These are readily available at Radio Shack and other fine electronics stores, and online electronics parts supply.

 

You can connect a batch of 74 series IC chips to make a clock with timing circuits using 555 ic chips.

 

The circuit has a data path that connect to various chips to perform a task.

At the end of this path is a driver chip that can light up the old red LED numbers that we have all seen. The LED numbers will draw more then LCD displays, but then you can have a camera trained on it.

 

The circuit will be a dual circuit. Two temp circuits. One for outside, and one for inside. You can have two sets of LED numbers side by side. The camera can "watch" the LEDs, and by remote view you can see the indoor temp, and the outdoor temp.

 

The amount of money spent can also include a nice cabinet to put the circuits in to, and you can buy cheap switches, or use what is in your garage "treasure pile" (as you know you will need it someday and that is why we did not throw it away bin), or you can buy the finest in switches, and panel lights.

 

Panel lights.

1 Green Power on

2 Red Over limit / under limit lights

 

 

Switches

 

1 ON / Off

2 Possible reset switch to display a capture of the highest reading or the lowest reading.

 

 

Power supply.

 

External: wall wart (junk pile)

Internal: Dependant of the chip sets selected.

 

Hint: Overbuild a power supply with a full wave bridge rectifier, and voltage regulator, and a variable voltage setting, and put it on its own board. You can salavage this later for other projects in the future, or as you upgrade this project it can handle more circuits.

 

 

http://scorpiontheater.com/electronics.aspx

 

 

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/Hbase/electronic/rectbr.html

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/Hbase/electronic/rectct.html#c3

 

Those that wish to take the project to the next level can add chips to the data path that will allow you to perform other tasks with this temperature circuit. Do you want to add serial communication so that it can talk to a computer?

 

Do you want to add an rf transmitter for remote displays?

 

OK! Now for the fun!

 

Think of how you want this project to work for you. Each part of the design is going to be its own circuit. A series of blocks if you could say.

 

A bunch of blocks are assembled together to create one big system.

 

Now you can change the system as you go. All you have to do is remove one block to make it more technical, or you can make it more simple based on each individual block.

 

With 7400 series chip sets you will find that each IC chip is a "block". You can add a block to the data path to do more with your project by adding an IC chip.

 

Look for an IC chip that does what you need it to do. There will be a pin out of the IC chip to show you the input pins, and the output pins. This will also show you the + power, and the ground pins. Sometimes looking at the data sheet of an IC will show you the next IC chip in line to create a sample circuit. Look up the data sheet of the that IC to see if it works in your circuit.

 

If you want to make a "traditional" electronic thermometer then use dot bar displays. Similiar to the VU meters on stereo equipment. Dot bars will allow you to watch the temp rise, and fall similiar to the mercury therometer.

 

_____________________________________________________________

Warning: HIGH LEVEL OF TECHNICAL SKILL PAST THIS POINT!

 

 

LM 34 temp sensor

http://www.national.com/mpf/LM/LM34.html

 

LM34 Data sheet

http://www.makingthings.com/resources/datasheets/acc_tmp_001.pdf

 

OP Amp as a difference amplifier

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/Hbase/Electronic/opampvar6.html#c1

 

Use this if you want a traditional style thermoter to watch "mercury" rise/fall

LM3914 dot bar display driver data sheet

http://inst.eecs.berkeley.edu/~ee100/fa08/lab/project/lm3914.pdf

 

 

ADC0804 Analog to Digital Converter LM34 to ACD0804 to data bus

http://eed.hutech.edu.vn/Datasheet/ADC0804.pdf

 

 

Overlay digital data on analog video

 

http://www2.electronicproducts.com/ICs_overlay_digital_data_on_analog_video-article-UPDATE13-FEB1996.aspx

 

http://viennawireless.org/balloon/hardware/overlay/index.php

 

_____________________________________________________________

 

 

SAMPLE SCHEMATIC OF A TEMPERATURE CIRCUIT WITH MAINS TRANSMITTER AND A RECIEVER CIRCUIT

http://www.redcircuits.com//Page11.htm

 

This is for reference only to understand how the blocks come together to make a circuit.

 

Sensor

 

IC 1 LM35

http://www.ece.osu.edu/~passino/LM35.pdf

 

IC 2 LM335 Temp Sensor

http://www.uib.es/depart/dfs/GTE/staff/jfont/InstrETT/lm335Z.pdf

 

IC 3 78L06 Power Regulator

http://www.datasheetcatalog.org/datasheet/WINGS/78L06.pdf

 

 

Receiver Power Line

 

IC 4 4017 data sheet

http://www.doctronics.co.uk/pdf_files/4017.pdf

 

IC 5 BCD Counter

http://www.jaycar.com.au/images_uploaded/MC14553B.PDF

 

IC 6 BCD to 7 Segment Decoder (8 shaped LED)

http://www.doctronics.co.uk/pdf_files/4511.pdf

 

_____________________________________________________________

_____________________________________________________________

 

Dual Sensor "Heating System Thermostat"

http://www.redcircuits.com//Page46.htm

 

Thermistor Thermometer data sheet

http://msl.irl.cri.nz/training_&_resources/Technical_guides/TG10.pdf

 

 

Another circuit with a thermometer and a computer control circuit

http://www.kmitl.ac.th/~kswichit%20/thermistor/thermistor.htm

 

 

 

How did I do??

 

What do you think?

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What is going through my mind?

 

Adrenaline! Those "thought juices" that flow when you are in that state of creating, or problem solving, and staring at a pile of data sheets!!

 

I apologize for how this is written. I know you are extremely technical, but I have tried to make this simple for someone who would like to enter the world of electronics. People are brought to this forum from google searches, and I typed this up with them in mind as they "land" here. This will allow each individual to work at their own skill level. You can buy a breadboard. This will allow you to put parts together to make a project so that you do not have to solder.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breadboard

 

You can solder if you have the skill, or if you wish to learn.

 

http://www.aaroncake.net/electronics/solder.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dkragEKSKI

 

For those of you who do not know how to solder but want to make the project more permanent then you can learn to wire wrap.

 

http://www.me.umn.edu/courses/me2011/robot/wrap/wrap.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wire_wrap

 

No matter how you build it use sockets for the IC. You can reuse the chips later for other projects, or for simple repairs, and redesign.

 

 

Project X

 

Budget is economical.

Must be easy to build.

Must be easy to maintain.

Must be assembled off of easy to obtain parts.

Must not draw a lot of energy.

 

I do not have a design, or a schematic off the top of my head.

 

The first thing that comes to mind are the 74 series of IC chips.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7400_series

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_7400_series_integrated_circuits

 

http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~jones/logicsim/man/node5.html

 

http://www.kpsec.freeuk.com/components/74series.htm

 

http://forum.allaboutcircuits.com/showthread.php?t=10655

 

http://www.google.com/search?q=clock+made+with+74+series+ic+chips&rls=com.microsoft:*&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&startIndex=&startPage=1

 

 

Resistor color code converter

http://www.ese.upenn.edu/rca/calcjs.html

 

 

These are readily available at Radio Shack and other fine electronics stores, and online electronics parts supply.

 

You can connect a batch of 74 series IC chips to make a clock with timing circuits using 555 ic chips.

 

The circuit has a data path that connect to various chips to perform a task.

At the end of this path is a driver chip that can light up the old red LED numbers that we have all seen. The LED numbers will draw more then LCD displays, but then you can have a camera trained on it.

 

The circuit will be a dual circuit. Two temp circuits. One for outside, and one for inside. You can have two sets of LED numbers side by side. The camera can "watch" the LEDs, and by remote view you can see the indoor temp, and the outdoor temp.

 

The amount of money spent can also include a nice cabinet to put the circuits in to, and you can buy cheap switches, or use what is in your garage "treasure pile" (as you know you will need it someday and that is why we did not throw it away bin), or you can buy the finest in switches, and panel lights.

 

Panel lights.

1 Green Power on

2 Red Over limit / under limit lights

 

 

Switches

 

1 ON / Off

2 Possible reset switch to display a capture of the highest reading or the lowest reading.

 

 

Power supply.

 

External: wall wart (junk pile)

Internal: Dependant of the chip sets selected.

 

Hint: Overbuild a power supply with a full wave bridge rectifier, and voltage regulator, and a variable voltage setting, and put it on its own board. You can salavage this later for other projects in the future, or as you upgrade this project it can handle more circuits.

 

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/Hbase/electronic/rectbr.html

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/Hbase/electronic/rectct.html#c3

 

Those that wish to take the project to the next level can add chips to the data path that will allow you to perform other tasks with this temperature circuit. Do you want to add serial communication so that it can talk to a computer?

 

Do you want to add an rf transmitter for remote displays?

 

OK! Now for the fun!

 

Think of how you want this project to work for you. Each part of the design is going to be its own circuit. A series of blocks if you could say.

 

A bunch of blocks are assembled together to create one big system.

 

Now you can change the system as you go. All you have to do is remove one block to make it more technical, or you can make it more simple based on each individual block.

 

With 7400 series chip sets you will find that each IC chip is a "block". You can add a block to the data path to do more with your project by adding an IC chip.

 

Look for an IC chip that does what you need it to do. There will be a pin out of the IC chip to show you the input pins, and the output pins. This will also show you the + power, and the ground pins. Sometimes looking at the data sheet of an IC will show you the next IC chip in line to create a sample circuit. Look up the data sheet of the that IC to see if it works in your circuit.

 

If you want to make a "traditional" electronic thermometer then use dot bar displays. Similiar to the VU meters on stereo equipment. Dot bars will allow you to watch the temp rise, and fall similiar to the mercury therometer.

 

_____________________________________________________________

Warning: HIGH LEVEL OF TECHNICAL SKILL PAST THIS POINT!

 

 

LM 34 temp sensor

http://www.national.com/mpf/LM/LM34.html

 

LM34 Data sheet

http://www.makingthings.com/resources/datasheets/acc_tmp_001.pdf

 

OP Amp as a difference amplifier

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/Hbase/Electronic/opampvar6.html#c1

 

Use this if you want a traditional style thermoter to watch "mercury" rise/fall

LM3914 dot bar display driver data sheet

http://inst.eecs.berkeley.edu/~ee100/fa08/lab/project/lm3914.pdf

 

 

ADC0804 Analog to Digital Converter LM34 to ACD0804 to data bus

http://eed.hutech.edu.vn/Datasheet/ADC0804.pdf

 

 

Overlay digital data on analog video

 

http://www2.electronicproducts.com/ICs_overlay_digital_data_on_analog_video-article-UPDATE13-FEB1996.aspx

 

http://viennawireless.org/balloon/hardware/overlay/index.php

 

_____________________________________________________________

 

 

SAMPLE SCHEMATIC OF A TEMPERATURE CIRCUIT WITH MAINS TRANSMITTER AND A RECIEVER CIRCUIT

http://www.redcircuits.com//Page11.htm

 

This is for reference only to understand how the blocks come together to make a circuit.

 

Sensor

 

IC 1 LM35

http://www.ece.osu.edu/~passino/LM35.pdf

 

IC 2 LM335 Temp Sensor

http://www.uib.es/depart/dfs/GTE/staff/jfont/InstrETT/lm335Z.pdf

 

IC 3 78L06 Power Regulator

http://www.datasheetcatalog.org/datasheet/WINGS/78L06.pdf

 

 

Receiver Power Line

 

IC 4 4017 data sheet

http://www.doctronics.co.uk/pdf_files/4017.pdf

 

IC 5 BCD Counter

http://www.jaycar.com.au/images_uploaded/MC14553B.PDF

 

IC 6 BCD to 7 Segment Decoder (8 shaped LED)

http://www.doctronics.co.uk/pdf_files/4511.pdf

 

_____________________________________________________________

_____________________________________________________________

 

Dual Sensor "Heating System Thermostat"

http://www.redcircuits.com//Page46.htm

 

Thermistor Thermometer data sheet

http://msl.irl.cri.nz/training_&_resources/Technical_guides/TG10.pdf

 

 

Another circuit with a thermometer and a computer control circuit

http://www.kmitl.ac.th/~kswichit%20/thermistor/thermistor.htm

 

 

 

How did I do??

 

What do you think?

 

Scorpion do u have life ?

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I cheated! I cut and pasted information that I allready had!

 

What do you think I just came back from Radio Shack and I am about to post photos of the project step by step??

 

Now if there is some serious cash involved I can overnight a working model to you AK357! LOL!

 

 

 

Sorry I am too busy with my LE projects, and trying to pretend that I am not when the wife comes in to the room

 

OOPS! Here she comes I gotta g....

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Ssssshh.

 

I think my wife is gone now. I am suprised to see this in the google search at this moment. I am surprised to see a link back to this post so quickly!

 

CCTV Forum .:. Welcome to CCTV Forum - how can i have onscreen ... - 7:03pmhttp://www.google.com/search?q=clock+made+with+74+series+ic+chips&rls=com. ... You can connect a batch of 74 series IC chips to make a clock with timing ...

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the mobotix are ip only and the temp displayed is a temp sensor on the camera thats a few degrees off of external temp - sorry i think the way i said it originally it sounded like the temp of the board or processor or something

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I cheated! I cut and pasted information that I allready had!

 

What do you think I just came back from Radio Shack and I am about to post photos of the project step by step??

 

Now if there is some serious cash involved I can overnight a working model to you AK357! LOL!

quote]

 

 

it's ok I have all parts in my basement

by the way I am not joking

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