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[tesc_cctvpro 0]

I still fail to appreciate how anybody who hasn't visited this guys site, hasn't established proper Operational Requirements, etc is able to suggest any solution or product.

 

 

 

i think to ops first post tols us what he wanted. bringing alarms into it never came from the op.

 

8 camera system he asked advice on.

 

alarm systems do have there place but 90% of them are just alert only at the end of the day they only confirm what you already know when you walk back into your burgled place.

 

CCTV with an alarm system gives 100% at least you now have footage with something the police can work with.

 

Yes as do the majority of our customers when we first meet. If however that was how it operated, and system design was that simplistic - we actually have no business being in business, because anybody could just decide what they want and go to the nearest store and buy it.

 

The problem is too many people with no physical security qualifications, jumping into the game because they know how to plug a camera into a network, or cable.

 

First and foremost , the core of anything to do with security is related to and begins with those of criminal intent, and those who need to defend against that intent.

 

The core qualification is physical security - cameras, alarms, guns, and networks are just tools that compliment the task of a security company. What we see today is a proliferation of tech boys, and IT kids imagining that because they can plug in a camera and show it somewhere else, they are now the answer to all those "ip clueless" security guys and we see them trying them trying to muscle in to the security arena.

 

The inter-interoperability of modern systems mean that system engineering has become a multi-faceted process, engaging multi-faceted teams of people.

 

It's just a plain joke that we have IT switch manufacturers, and their resellers debating with security companies about security solutions. It takes more than your IP camera and Alarm to provide a barrier between the criminal - intent to kill, and his intended victim.

 

And that is unfortunately the result, when someone who sharpened their teeth putting together their home media player on a network, and then got a reseller agreement to some switch manufacturer who now makes cameras ----putting themself in between the criminal and his victim.

 

Let the security people design the solution --- the work with them to impliment the solutions.

 

And we wonder why security people get annoyed by these guys jumping up and down about how IP, HDcctv, this thing and that thing are the hottest potatoes of the time -----> Because you have an ip camera and a switch, don't make the mistake of imagining that physical security professionals are idiots. That the IP industry now has the answers to security issues.---> it remains a joke!

 

At the end of the day - the most important issues are controlling the phases of criminal activity, giving effect to crime analysis and risk profiling and then selecting the best tools to manage that --- in some cases the best solution may be a limpet mine as opposed to a web camera with 9 leds on it.

 

How do you expose the difference ---- when someone tell you to use this or that device without taking a minute to assess the criminal or loss potentials being faced.

[Guest]

Excellent post.

 

A growing trend in the industry I am afraid.

 

Too much emphasis on technology, not enough on the problem.

 

Hence the UK Governement issuing the Operational Requirement document.

 

Still should be the the starting point for any security industry training scheme.

 

Ilkie

[tomcctv 187]

Excellent post.

 

A growing trend in the industry I am afraid.

 

Too much emphasis on technology, not enough on the problem.

 

Hence the UK Governement issuing the Operational Requirement document.

 

Still should be the the starting point for any security industry training scheme.

 

Ilkie

 

 

 

hi. ilkie.

 

yes your right. this discustion has only been about the criminal eliment. but there are many reasons why people ask for CCTV. like in the UK employers fit as a care of duty to there staff in there work place. just a set of eyes to watch over a lone worker in a gas station. or to monitor health and safety in a work place to protect other members of staff. a system has to be designed for everything.

[Campbell 0]

yes your right. this discustion has only been about the criminal eliment. but there are many reasons why people ask for CCTV. like in the UK employers fit as a care of duty to there staff in there work place. just a set of eyes to watch over a lone worker in a gas station. or to monitor health and safety in a work place to protect other members of staff. a system has to be designed for everything.

 

I installed into a large butchers chain. They have a full time employee at head office who monitors the cameras. Anything from when the shop opens to OH&S issues. There are plenty of other reasons to install CCTV other than a criminal deterrent

[tesc_cctvpro 0]

yes your right. this discustion has only been about the criminal eliment. but there are many reasons why people ask for CCTV. like in the UK employers fit as a care of duty to there staff in there work place. just a set of eyes to watch over a lone worker in a gas station. or to monitor health and safety in a work place to protect other members of staff. a system has to be designed for everything.

 

I installed into a large butchers chain. They have a full time employee at head office who monitors the cameras. Anything from when the shop opens to OH&S issues. There are plenty of other reasons to install CCTV other than a criminal deterrent

 

No denying that ---and by extension that same mentality extends into all those fields. An IP camera and switch suddenly replace five years of study and 20 years of experience that many OH&S guys would bring to the table ---- The core is always that these are the tools that can be applied to many professions. These tools can never replace the engineers of those professions. Motor mechanics should stick to fixing cars and not try to design them.