Question about running RH45 plugs

[jmcgarva 0]

Hey all. I am new here. Thank you for accepting me to your awesome forums. Im not an expert with security systems but I have installed about 5-6 systems. That is all.

 

My question is, I just recently installed a new system for my boss on one of his buildings. This system was powered and ran video with JUST an ethernet cable. No BNC or power wires. Which I fell in love with. I am super OCD and I love how clean the setup looks.

 

His old system was a mess. It was installed by a professional but it was mixed with BNC connectors, COAX cables and CAT5 cables. It looked like a HUGE rats nest.

 

His building flooded with this past hurricane and and its gutted right now I think it will be best to install a new system ASAP. What I am wanting to do is buy a spool of 1000' of CAT5 cable with the RH45 plug connectors. There fore I can make my own ends and have each wire the perfect distance without having any rats nest left over.

 

Some of his cameras have the BNC / power wires coming out of them. I was looking at getting these for the cameras that have the BNC connectors. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00KGGJV9E/ref=pd_bxgy_421_img_2?ie=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=AHKHS77EHVYTPMV84E6E

 

My question is... If I run CAT5 cable with the RJ45 connectors from the DVR to the camera with the BNC connectors .. will that work with this adapter? The DVR will have RH45 ports and not the BNC connectors.

 

I really only need one side of that adapter.. that one with the male power plug so I can plug it into the camera. Do you guys know of any that would work.

 

Im trying to find out if this idea would work so I dont have purchase tons of new cameras

[almelst 1]

I suppose that the picture is not an original and that you composed it out of three pictures : DVR, cable with balun adapter and camera.

This combination won't work, it shows NVR , Network Video Recorder with PoE inputs which works with IP cameras only and the camera on your picture is an analog or HD camera with BNC connection.

Cat5 or Cat6 cable can be used for connecting both IP cameras and analog/HD cameras, but for the latter, video balun adapters must be used on both DVR and camera side.

So,if you choose IP cameras with NVR (with PoE power supply) then LAN cables with RJ-45 connectors would be enough.

If you choose HD cameras (TVI, CVI or AHD) then you can use the same wiring but with video balun adapters on both sides or coax / BNC with separate supply cable.

 

PoE = Power over Ethernet , power supply over the Ethernet cable , can be passive (over spare cable pairs) or active (over data wires)

[jmcgarva 0]

Yes that was a MS paint home made picture of what I was hoping would work and wanted to do.

 

Sucks it wont work but to plan b.

 

I added a photo of what they had in the past. Its kind of confusing but let me explain.

 

They had a camera power supply box. They took a cat 5 cable and did two different things with it.

1) They ran one pair (2 wires) from a CAT5 cable and plugged in one of those green and black 2.1mm DC power plugs. Then they used that to power the 8 plugs in a pig tail series I guess you call them. (in the photo, that is the red/wire lines)

 

2) they used those same green/black 2.1mm DC power plug connectors and put them on the end of another pair (2 wires) from the SAME CAT5 cable that ran the pack of 8 pig tails that I just mention above. Then that ran directly to the wires coming from the camera. It did the same thing has the pig tails would do. They are just individual.

 

If I remember correctly they did 8 cameras with the pig tails, then powered the other 8 via the 2nd method. I think they used three cat5 cables in order to power all 16 cameras.. I dont remember.

 

 

BUT what I am trying to do is re run all the wires to the cameras since most were cut when gutting the building. The reason why I want to use CAT5 is because I can cut the wires to the perfect length, put the RJ45 plugs on them and be done. No extra wires... Are these PoE systems good? Can I do the same thing with PoE as I can with the normal TVL systems. The normal systems you buy with the BNC connectors. If so does it matter if its CAT 5 or CAT6?

 

Also, if I am reading your reply correctly it says I can use CAT5 wires and then wire up BNC connectors on the other end of the CAT 5 cable. Then run power via the power supply box and I can do that with a CAT5 cable.

I drew up another photo for that.. it will be the 2nd photo.

 

Sorry if its not neat or wrong. I am just trying to figure out whats best and of course learning at the same time.

 

 

I still like the PoE Idea, he would just have to get new cameras that support the PoE... correct? And if that is what we are going to do, then will everything work as the same as TVL cameras. Such as record, be able to watch live via the internet, etc.

 

Thank you and I hope this isnt too confusing!

[tomcctv 187]

Hi. Who ever put in the last system can only be called a nut job and you are lucky it even worked.

Take the pic with the single power out too 8pig tail ... Each cam say 0.5amp that's a total of 4amp from a single 1.5 output.

Then there are no baluns that you need when using cat5.

 

But the existing system is analog with dvr. To go POE you need to replace everything .... Dvr is replaced with a NVR with POE. A NVR can also be bought with out POE ...... But you are looking for plug and play so you need NVR with POE

 

So look for NVR 4way Poe (4cam) or 8 Poe (8cam) or 16poe (16cam)

 

Everything is the same as dvr as in control and use. But you will have to buy IP cameras with POE

[jmcgarva 0]

This is why he pretty much wants to start over. I was just trying to save him some money by using the exciting cameras that have the BNC connectors. The ones with the COAX cables I'm not even messing with them. I am just going to replace them.

 

I was just trying to keep everything neat and thats why I thought that PoE systems were the best for that. I can cut the wire to the exact amount I need.. I cant do this with the BNC connectors can I?

 

If not and it seems its best to go with PoE system, then do you guys recommend a system that is best. I need 16 cameras with a DVR. I am guessing 1-2 tb would be fine. It seems most systems come with 2tb for 16 cameras anyway.

 

I am going to try and save money by just buying the cameras and the DVR separate. If I buy a complete system they come with wires and such that I wont use.

 

For the next question, What is the decent CAT5 wire I can use. Can I use CAT5 or do I have to use CAT6? My longest distance would be less then 150 feet I would think.

 

I am going to be running wires down and under docks that the will get wet. Also this is salt water. All the connections will be dry other then rain. Do you guys recommend any RJ45 plugs that are better then others?

 

I am going to try and talk to him in getting all the wires outside in conduit.

 

Thanks for your help so far guys.

[jmcgarva 0]

Bump..

 

Also, will crimping these cat5 cables hold up outside?

 

Do I need cat5 or cat5e wire

 

Thanks

[almelst 1]

Use waterproof junction boxes or original additional junction boxes for outdoor cameras connection.

Cat5 or Cat5e makes no difference, both are OK for LAN wiring up to 100 m.

[tomcctv 187]

Bump..

 

Also, will crimping these cat5 cables hold up outside?

 

Do I need cat5 or cat5e wire

 

Thanks

 

 

Hi standard cat5 or 6 will be a problem for you ..... Salt water it will not last long try and put in conduit and also use direct burial cat5 ..... Even tho your not going underground it's still the best to use with the eliments you have

[jmcgarva 0]

ok would this work for cable.

 

https://www.cablesandkits.com/cat5e-outdoor-direct-burial-cable-1000-utp-black-p-5191.html?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=5191&ne_ppc_id=2221&ne_kw=5191&gclid=CjwKEAjwkJfABRDnhbPlx6WI4ncSJADMQqxdNTq914mp8LRwooe7ka12AjIAXJfSz_-2nWJf0JjqXxoCz8nw_wcB

 

https://www.cablesandkits.com/rj45-cat5e-modular-plugsconnectors-for-solid-wire-qty-100-p-645.html

 

and those for the RJ45's

[jmcgarva 0]

With above wire and connectors, would this setup work

 

http://www.costco.com/Swann-16-Channel-HD-IP-NVR-with-3TB-HDD,-8-3MP-Cameras-with-115'-Night-Vision.product.100144944.html

 

Also this only comes with 8 cameras. So I was looking at getting 8 more of these?

 

https://www.amazon.com/Security-Reolink-65-100ft-Detection-RLC-410/dp/B010LH48F4/ref=cm_cd_al_qh_dp_t

 

Would those on amazon match up to that swann system. These here on amazon are 1440 and the ones by swann are 1080.

 

I just want to make sure everything matches before I purchase. Also the wire from my prev post and RJ45 connectors with work correct?

[jeromephone 6]

the outdoor rated direct bury should do the job cat 5e is fine. I also get weather proof rj-45 connectors they are like the ones pictured but have a boot that completely covers the connector. use things such as coax seal as well.