need camera suggestion

[stantonhog 0]

I work in a bar where all id's are placed on a shelf that has a cctv camera with telephoto aimed at it. System has worked ok for the last 9 years but we are running into a new problem with the new drivers licenses. Basically with the new holograms and seals popping up all over an id, about 50% of the id are unreadable on playback now, vs. years ago it was only about 10%. Just talked to a salesperson and he recommended trying a wide dynamic range camera and thought it may help with the issue, but wasn't sure how it would work with holograms. Any one have any experience with this or suggestions?

[scorpion 0]

ID card camera?

 

Video Identification System

 

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[stantonhog 0]

I had found a box thing called eye-d cam, but its limited to only the size of drivers licenses (we get a lot of foreign passports, so I kind of need to stick to the shelf system) and I am still not sure that box would address the problem of the holograms/state seals.

[scorpion 0]

You need a lens that allows you to attach a polarization filter.

 

The other thing is to change the lighting. What are you using for a light source. Night club, and bars tend to be very dark, and I can only assume you are using some kink of desk lamp, and you are setting the "ID" under the light. (??)

 

We would need to diffuse the what ever light source you are using.

 

If this is a fast paced process, I would suggest two cameras. As you slap the ID down, and pick it up and slap the next one down this will allow one camera or the other to "capture" the "ID".

 

I know they have "scanners" for US Driver license that reads the magnetic strip to verify what is on the front. Do you use these scanners?

If you do, I think this will pass the "locals" through quicker, and you can spend more time on the passports.

 

You could also have a camera aimed at the face as they come in, and this would give you "data" should something happen.

 

I have software that I sell to the local clubs here. It is a facial recog system that drops all of the data at the end of the night. Should someone get kicked out for a low level incident than you can mark this file. The next time he/she comes in a flag will go up allowing your security staff to keep in eye on this person.

If they are kicked out permanantly, then the next time they return the flag goes up and they are permanantly kick out.

The clubs around here are close to a sea port where US and foreign sailors come in to port, also the merchant marines. This guy owns real highend clubs. If you are kick out of one club, you are kicked out of all of his clubs! There was a really bad brawl many years ago where valued customers, and employees were brutaly beat. A year later this same group of sailors came back, and were very surprised to still be kicked out. They thought they were long forgotten about, and could come back and have a little "fun". This is where it gets real fun!!!!!

 

They go to another club and BAM!!! They are not allowed in!

Some of the other owners are now sharing their data protecting each other.

Hey if you lose your liquer license, then you are out of business!!

 

This product does not have any privacy issues.

 

I wish I could help you more!

[ak357 0]

 

 

 

 

I have software that I sell to the local clubs here. It is a facial recog system that drops all of the data at the end of the night. Should someone get kicked out for a low level incident than you can mark this file. The next time he/she comes in a flag will go up allowing your security staff to keep in eye on this person.

 

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Do u mind to share which software u are using ?

 

Thanks

[stantonhog 0]

Scorpion thanks for your replies. For the lighting source, the shelf is actually outside attached to the door (we have double doors, one is always closed.) Right above, inside the door frame, about 6 feet from the shelf is a flourescent 4 foot light, I thought that would be diffused enough, but it aint.

 

We have a scanner, but tell the truth haven't used it for a while, tested it for about a week 3 years ago, and too many fakes were getting by. The bouncers were depending on it to spot fakes and it wasn't very good at that so we took it out. Basically it was a glorified time clock that read the magnetic strip and calculated age, nice green light and they came in. Unfortunately it didn't do anything but check that, obvious mistakes in license numbers got a green light.

 

Speed isn't an issue, everyone gets wristbanded, so while putting on the wristband, the id is left on the shelf, so it is there for a good 2-3 seconds.

 

The face recognition software sounds nice, but probably way past our needs. Thanks for that polarizing filter suggestion, hadn't thought of that at all. I'll try and jury rig a circular polarizer over the lens, that may do the trick.

[zmxtech 0]

maybe a IR flood above to fill in the gaps, I know the casinos like to read the chips from a distance.

 

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[scorpion 0]

ak357

 

I do not own the rights to the software. The product is called biobouncer.

 

http://biobouncer.com/

 

They will provide the computer, camera, and software as a package.

 

It was field tested last summer in the NY city area, and they have worked on all of the "privacy" issues.

 

This is not an entry level product. You must have strong security needs, and you must really need a solution to protect your insurance, or you liq license, or to protect staff, and customers.

 

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stantonhog

 

Is this a take off on Stanton turntables? DJ....Night club? If so it works!

 

I would say try uplighting the ceiling, and let the ceiling "reflect" the light back down. This will be difused, and should let you photo the ID. You can try different shades of paint on the ceiling for effect.

 

I would recommend having a bouncer outside who looks at the IDs as well.

The first one has more time to look at it as he walks down the line. This is also to let the "punks" see that you are checking IDs before they get inside. Hopefully they will just walk away when the bouncer is not looking.

 

The cashier should have a bouncer who looks at the card a 2nd time, and then a 3rd time as they are being arm banded, or being let through the club entrance.

 

I would still use the scanner. A kind of layers apon layers of protection. If and when you have an under age drinker who goes out of your club and gets in to a wreck with a loss of life, you should now be protected. You have done everything that you can to mitigate these circumstances.

 

This will depend on your state, and your laws. I would coordinate with the insurance company to see what can be done to help mitigate as much liability as you can.

 

If I owned a club, I would go to the surrounding court houses and look at the public records and follow some of these kind of cases. Why did the club lose the case. Do you have those same "attributes". Why did the club prevail? Can you impliment what protected them?

 

Do you have a camera hooked up to a dvr at the front door?