NEED HELP DESIGNING SYSTEM FOR CASINO

[mikeek3 0]

hey guys i need some help as to what cameras should i use for a casino that has over 200 machines, 8 tables and the cashier cage.. Any recommendations as to what types of cameras as well as soft ware and server type will be appreciated. let me know what other info you all may need..............

[vin2install 0]

I just help designing a casino system, it is mostly just following regulations. Do you have the requirements for your state?

[mikeek3 0]

I'm from trinidad so anything goes no laws.. I would like to have 30fps though

[vector18 1]

What is your budget? What does the casino manager want? I would suggest one 2mp IP mini dome above every table, one 2mp IP mini dome per 3-4 slot machines, either 1 super NVR or multiple NVR's with multiple monitors, huge hard drives, UPS back ups, and a few PTZ's here and there. As far as brand and software, that would be your personal preference from your previous experience. I'm assuming your have experience considering a casino hired you to install their camera system?

[mikeek3 0]

Im the surveillance manager, and want to upgrade from cctv to IP but in stages My budget is 100000 per month. But i need to know in detail what to use like lets say right now i have 16 analog with dvr 2tb storage, coaxial,bnc ends.. what setup can i use to replace this please include brands,and switches etc..

[vector18 1]

Since you already have analog, it's up to you. Are you able to replace all the cables with cat5? If not, than upgrade to an hd-sdi dvr and hd-sdi cameras. Is that 10,000 USD every month? I'm not sure what you mean 10,000 a month. If that is your allowance

to spend, or your maintenance fee, than do whatever you can up rerun the wires and put 2mp cameras for this casino. As far as brand and model numbers goes, IMO, best bang for buck is Dahua. Others in this forum would chose other brands so like I said, it's your own preference and what you already know. Again, if your a surveillance manager for a casino, and earning 10,000

a month, you 'should' have some sort of experience already with IP, no?

[mikeek3 0]

As i said Ip is new to us in Trinidad, and 15000us per month is my allowance just for upgrading it's not my salary..

[tomcctv 187]

As i said Ip is new to us in Trinidad, and 15000us per month is my allowance just for upgrading it's not my salary..

 

 

Hi. is that 15000 trin dollers = $2,300 a month US.

 

 

 

as you already have 16 cameras have you thought of going hybrid use your existing cameras and adding ip MP

[mc4c 0]

hey guys i need some help as to what cameras should i use for a casino that has over 200 machines, 8 tables and the cashier cage.. Any recommendations as to what types of cameras as well as soft ware and server type will be appreciated. let me know what other info you all may need..............

 

Avigilon is a great choice. Easy to use and reliable software, relatively inexpensive cameras and very inexpensive encoders that will allow you to integrate your Analog cameras into the new system and slowly upgrade to IP Megapixel cameras.

 

Their 2 MP H.264 Cameras (Fixed, Dome, or Bullet) will give you the full 30 FPS.

 

Their H.264 video encoders support 4 cameras each and stream/record at 30 FPS per camera at full D1. Also their encoders are licensed per device, so you would only have to buy 1 license per encoder instead of 4.

 

I would recommend the Enterprise version of their software giving you unlimited server connections, fail-safe recording, virtual matrix and collaborative investigations.

 

In regards your server requirements it depends on how many cameras you will plan to deploy as well as fail-safe and storage requirements.

 

With that being said their are literally thousands of choices in IP Cameras and software, everyone has their favorite so you really have to take a look at all your options, Milestone, Exacq, Genetec, etc. For cameras look at all the major brands Arecont Vision, Axis, Bosch, Sony, Samsung etc. Download and install demos if possible, do all your research into each camera and preferably start by purchasing only a couple of cameras and test them out alongside your current setup, no need to jump in head first.

 

For $15,000 a month, you can get allot accomplished in just the first phase.

 

If you need any MSRP pricing on Avigilon PM me i'll be happy to help.

[vector18 1]

Give me 15,000usd and I'll fly to Trinidad and upgrade all the existing cameras and install an NVR!

[ssmith10pn 0]

hey guys i need some help as to what cameras should i use for a casino that has over 200 machines, 8 tables and the cashier cage.. Any recommendations as to what types of cameras as well as soft ware and server type will be appreciated. let me know what other info you all may need..............

 

Avigilon is a great choice. Easy to use and reliable software, relatively inexpensive cameras and very inexpensive encoders that will allow you to integrate your Analog cameras into the new system and slowly upgrade to IP Megapixel cameras.

 

Their 2 MP H.264 Cameras (Fixed, Dome, or Bullet) will give you the full 30 FPS.

 

Their H.264 video encoders support 4 cameras each and stream/record at 30 FPS per camera at full D1. Also their encoders are licensed per device, so you would only have to buy 1 license per encoder instead of 4.

 

I would recommend the Enterprise version of their software giving you unlimited server connections, fail-safe recording, virtual matrix and collaborative investigations.

 

In regards your server requirements it depends on how many cameras you will plan to deploy as well as fail-safe and storage requirements.

 

With that being said their are literally thousands of choices in IP Cameras and software, everyone has their favorite so you really have to take a look at all your options, Milestone, Exacq, Genetec, etc. For cameras look at all the major brands Arecont Vision, Axis, Bosch, Sony, Samsung etc. Download and install demos if possible, do all your research into each camera and preferably start by purchasing only a couple of cameras and test them out alongside your current setup, no need to jump in head first.

 

For $15,000 a month, you can get allot accomplished in just the first phase.

 

If you need any MSRP pricing on Avigilon PM me i'll be happy to help.

 

 

This^^^

 

But you do need to decide on software before considering cameras.

I would lean towards Avigilon 1st and Genetec second. Once you learn Avigilon it's quite simple. Genetec is much more complex in the setup.

[survtech 0]

I could design a system for you but not for free. I'm in charge of a 1,000+ camera system at a major casino. PM me if you're interested.

[securitynow.us 0]

I would not place Dahua cameras in a casino like vector suggested, not with a budget like yours.

[vector18 1]

I think people think dahua cameras are lower quality because they are less expensive than other IP brands. At this point,

I have MANY IP Dahua systems out there, and NOT ONE has crapped out, given me a problem, failed to work, produced

a poor image, unable to log in, recording issues, NOTHING! Not one problem with Dahua products and I am saving tons

of money compared to others spending 400,500,600, and even up to 700 dollars for megapixel cameras.

[securitynow.us 0]

I don't think the owner of a casino would want cameras installed professionally that he/she could of bought themself at costco or anywhere else on the internet for that matter and done the job themselves. Thats just my opinion though.

[vector18 1]

I have to disagree totally with you. First of all, Dahua cameras are not the same quality as costco cameras. Secondly, costco is

not selling 2 and 3mp domes. They are selling those bullet cameras. Thirdly, the casino owner CANNOT install cameras himself and if he did know how to, he probably has enough money to pay someone else to do it anyway. Fourthly, I DOUBT the owner of the casino in trinidad is going to be searching around the internet to try to find out how much his installer actually paid for the cameras that were just installed. And lastly, with the incredible picture he would be looking at on his screen in the security booth, he most likely would be too busy patting the installer on the back and writing a big fat check over anything else. And on another note, if you search enough, you can find out the price on ANY camera or brand if you search around enough, so that crop of

installing something that your customer cannot find out the price is just bull. AND..........if you want to look at it this way, if he really can't find out how much the camera is worth (if he really wants to know), and he can't find out about the ones you just

installed, than he might even feel that you are ripping him off with junk that he can't even find on the internet!

[securitynow.us 0]

I suppose we'll just have to agree to disagree.

[vector18 1]

I suppose we'll just have to agree to disagree.

 

 

You know whats funny, where I work, my boss has us install Acti cameras. I see what he pays for them and

I see what the customer gets when we're finished installing a system. I laugh every time because I log in

from home at his cameras and than I log on to one of my dahua cameras, and depending on lighting, height of

camera, location, etc, for the most part, my Dahuas look better. I just don't get it, why pay so much more just

because of the name?

[securitynow.us 0]

So what I am getting from that is you don't actually run a business yourself, just do jobs on the side? Well then that makes sense for you to use cheaper cameras then.

[CCCmarine 0]

@vector18

 

Where do you buy your dahua cameras?

[tomcctv 187]

Love the way people try to sell dahua.........just shows they know nothing about cctv design .

 

For the amount of cameras needed ....what is he going to run them on ????

 

 

He will not get ...... 1st .....fps he needs ......2nd domestic viewing software PSS is not upto the task. 3rd he will not get back up or support

[securitynow.us 0]

Tom, I would give your response a like or a +1 if I was able too. Agree 100%.

[vector18 1]

I buy my equipment from a local distributor. Yes, I have a tax ID and I have my own small company, but I do work for someone full time. My boss is fully aware that I have my own company. So, please tell me by owning my own company why I would purchase more expensive cameras? I'd love to know why making more money is bad and do not tell me so I can write it off.

 

Tom, what do you mean what is he going to run it on? What do you have that Dahua does not? If he doesn't want a super dahua nvr, he can group his IP cameras in sections and run multiple nvrs and get a server and run PSS. Please tell me how PSS is not

up to par? It does everything I need it to do to record, playback, and back up video footage. What else do you need it to do? Your laundry? Every one of my dahua nvr's or dvr's all record every channel at 30fps, what does yours? Now, if he wants support, he could purchase IC realtime, which is really dahua products, and have full tech support.

I get my tech support from my local distributor if I ever have a question about anything.

 

So far, I have read from the two of you, he doesn't own his own company, so he doesn't know, dahua is under par, our equipment is better, he needs fps, dahua are cheaper cameras than ours, blah blah blah. Please, if your going to post anything, post

some actual facts. Thanks.

[bigglebowski 0]

why I would purchase more expensive cameras? I'd love to know why making more money is bad and do not tell me so I can write it off.

 

 

Just curious what you mean here do you not pass the savings to the customer or do you charge what "equivalent" brand names would cost but supply Dahuas.

[tomcctv 187]

Tom, what do you mean what is he going to run it on? What do you have that Dahua does not? If he doesn't want a super dahua nvr

 

 

learn your products you still need PSS with the super NVR

 

What else do you need it to do? Your laundry?

 

for 7k yes and make coffee.

 

any NVR or DVR will play back the key to a casino system is it does it quick and multiple cameras at same time.

 

which PSS cant do well can but takes for ever.

 

 

a casino system is not the same as doing a corner shop you also have to think of the systems security as well