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I have a couple convenient stores to run new wiring for IP cameras. I am having a couple different issues connecting the POS and was wondering what the best solution for me as of now.

 

Registers:

-Wayne Nucleus

-Gilbarco Passport

 

The register right now have DVR connected with AVR systems that integrate the POS into the camera screen. But i am trying to change the systems to IP cameras with NVR systems. Each store has 2 registers each, and i see that the NVR can only connect one RS232 Port. so can only get one register connected.

 

I was wondering about IP POS systems? how would i go about this?

 

My other option is getting iVMS 5200, which i am learning to configure as of now.

 

As of now i have:

LTS CMIP7442W-28M - 4.1MP Cameras

http://www.ltsecurityinc.com/ip-camera/ip-dome/cmip7442w-28m.html

 

LTS LTN8832-P16 - NVR

http://www.ltsecurityinc.com/nvr/embedded-nvr/ltn8832-p16.html

 

The IP cameras i have learned are equivalent to Hikivision 4MP DS-2CD2142FWD-IS IP cameras, and the NVR, is equivalent to Hikivision DS-7716NI-SP/16.

http://overseas.hikvision.com/us/Products_accessries_10531_i7563.html

http://overseas.hikvision.com/us/Products_accessries_10649_i8679.html

 

 

THANK YOU GUYS FOR ANY HELP

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Yeah, me too. As an aside, I did speak with technical support today who told me that only the following models are POS compatible:

 

DS-7716NI-SP/16, DS-90xxNI-ST, DS-96xxNI-ST

 

All known as their 'Netra' Series.

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Here some addition information is anyone is interested as well.

 

The POS/registers have an output using RS232. i had then purchased an I/O server from RS232 to IP.

 

Server:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00LJEQLR2?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00

 

This allowed me to use my laptop and hyperterminal to see the transactions on the register using the local internet connection. I was also able to see the transactions from my home.

 

I believe Hikvision allows 'TCP listen' on their NVRs. Basically you can input the IP servers address and port, allowing the NVR to connect to the POS.

 

I have not tried this out as of now, i have put an order in for the Hikvision NVR. I will follow up as soon a I find out.

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Hey thanks,

But i don't have an issue retrieving data from the POS, its just sending the data over to the NVR.

 

Wayne nucleus actually has an option to see each key stroke from the employees rather then just a regular receipt. This is more helpful for the owners to see if certain transactions are voided or if the employees are charging the wrong amounts.

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I know its not a solution using what you currently have, but if the budget allows, you could always replace the nvr with a pc based one and run Avigilon on it.

You can then use a lantronix serial to ethernet convertor. You can get these with 2 db9 ports.

It is a bit of an investment, however you will be able to do a search of pos data extremely quickly.

I have done speed radar info, access control and standard pos data this way.

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Hey guys,

sorry for the late reply but, i have figured out a solution, sorry i'll kinda walk you through it and the parts i have used.

 

Registers I am using:

Works pretty well with Wayne Nucleus, text isn't great, but that is due to Nucleus output

have some issues with Gilbarco, not working at the moment.

 

RS232 to IP Server:

Either one of these worked, I bought them from Amazon, I recommend going with the cheaper one since they do the same thing

http://www.startech.com/Networking-IO/Serial-over-IP/1-port-RS232-serial-over-ip-adapter~NETRS2321P

http://www.startech.com/Networking-IO/Serial-over-IP/rs232-serial-device-server~NETRS232

 

NVR -

I have bought a NVR from LTS:

LTN8832-P16

It is a 32 channel NVR. Basically it is Hikivision OEM resold off as another company name on it.

 

set the RS232-to-IP IP address, and port, which then i adjusted the Router to port forward the used port

(IP: 192.168.0.201 Port: 8201)

Adjusted settings for RS232-to-IP, check out following added picture

 

 

Adjusted NVR POS to "TCP Receive" to same port as RS232-to-IP (Port: 8201)

 

As you can see it works!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

 

There are a couple problems with this method, which isn't really the RS232-to-IP issue, rather issue with registers and NVR

 

First issue, if you notice from my picture of the POS, you will see it shows a lot of useless information, this is because the register is sending all this data, which i dont need. I dont know about HEX editing and all to remove that useless data

 

Second issue is with the NVR. I'm not sure if it is only with this NVR or others, but you can only view one camera when you want to see the POS. It doesn't engrave the POS into the video, rather saves it as separate file. this will cause issues if you are trying to playback a video and want to watch multiple cameras, because the NVR didn't allow this, only allowed me to watch that one camera with POS.

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Can you search by transaction though?

 

The NVR I am using allows you to search by transaction.

 

I haven't played with it much, but it seems it has to be perfect word for word, spaces and all, or it gives you a lot of different transactions.

 

Since this is a gas station, if you find the receipt in the register history, it has the transaction number. Inputting that number will take you right to the transaction.

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Hi. We do a lot of pos and gilbarco systems ( both pos and pump management)

 

You will find it much easier to use the existing internal network to capture the text.

Each cash register is already sending the text data back to back office ( as stock control) which is still to much info for using as text overlay but if you go on the back office PC and do IP config and search pos term all cash registers will show ... Write down each IP address it will show for each.

 

Then go to management service on the pos back office then network and look for port out ..... Look at each IP you written down and look for port 5551 ( cash register1) 5552 ( cash register2)

 

This will give you the same text as recept to customer and these are the IP and address you should use on each camera on your hik NVR

Also on gilbarco pump management it has alarm outputs which can be sent to a PTZ camera .... When pump 1 is started PTZ will turn to is or pump 4 .... Capture every pump which starts and this will also show on transaction ( if pump start is on registers)

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Hi. We do a lot of pos and gilbarco systems ( both pos and pump management)

 

You will find it much easier to use the existing internal network to capture the text.

Each cash register is already sending the text data back to back office ( as stock control) which is still to much info for using as text overlay but if you go on the back office PC and do IP config and search pos term all cash registers will show ... Write down each IP address it will show for each.

 

Then go to management service on the pos back office then network and look for port out ..... Look at each IP you written down and look for port 5551 ( cash register1) 5552 ( cash register2)

 

This will give you the same text as recept to customer and these are the IP and address you should use on each camera on your hik NVR

Also on gilbarco pump management it has alarm outputs which can be sent to a PTZ camera .... When pump 1 is started PTZ will turn to is or pump 4 .... Capture every pump which starts and this will also show on transaction ( if pump start is on registers)

 

Hey thanks for the information.

 

I dont know exactly what back office is. From what i understand it is a software used on a computer to see reports and other register information? If that is the case, then these stations do not have Back office.

 

The stations are going to update their registers soon as well. From what i hear, it will be much easier to setup the POS with NVR systems.

 

I'll probably PM you in the future when they update their registers because i'm willing to learn a lot more about this.

 

thanks again

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Just as a followup in case other people are interested, LTS now sells a RS232-to-IP converter that will allow you to hook up a POS easily to any LTS NVR that supports the POS function.

 

http://www.ltsecurityinc.com/accessory-ethernet-tcp-ip-converter.html

 

LTS DVRs/NVRs also have a smart search function now that allows you to search the video clips by transaction and view the playback clip of said transaction.

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Just as a followup in case other people are interested, LTS now sells a RS232-to-IP converter that will allow you to hook up a POS easily to any LTS NVR that supports the POS function.

 

http://www.ltsecurityinc.com/accessory-ethernet-tcp-ip-converter.html

 

LTS DVRs/NVRs also have a smart search function now that allows you to search the video clips by transaction and view the playback clip of said transaction.

 

Basically the same thing as I showed on amazon, and i'm sure LTS will be charging more then Amazon

But thanks

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Just as a followup in case other people are interested, LTS now sells a RS232-to-IP converter that will allow you to hook up a POS easily to any LTS NVR that supports the POS function.

 

http://www.ltsecurityinc.com/accessory-ethernet-tcp-ip-converter.html

 

LTS DVRs/NVRs also have a smart search function now that allows you to search the video clips by transaction and view the playback clip of said transaction.

 

Basically the same thing as I showed on amazon, and i'm sure LTS will be charging more then Amazon

But thanks

 

actually you should check with LTS cause it may be cheaper that the 2 links that were posted before.

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Hi we are wanting to get into the POS integration with LTS but have not had much help from them. My business partner and I have extensive POS backgrounds and we can get the data from the registers fine with converters etc but how do we strp out the control characters that come with the printer data In the POS setup within the LTS (Hikvision) DVR/NVR. There seems to be a bit lacking in the how to actually set it up department. All info says they do it, shows a sample but no actual details. Or does it only work on simple text only POS systems. Any help appreciated.

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We've been doing POS integration for years, and from the beginning of transformation from analog to IP, our POS has followed right along. Simple video overlay (analog or IP cameras) and database capture, and includes most c-store applications. The only thing you need to do is provide RS-232 inputs into the PC based DVR/NVR - (simple USB to RS-232, no black boxes). You can check it out at http://www.digi-it.com/product/sub45.htm.

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I have been fighting a Wayne Nucleus POS system also to get this data formatted correctly into a Dahua x583a DVR. So far I am able to get the stream of data to flow to the DVR but I see the same useless data and what does come through isn't searchable.

 

I think this is an easy problem to solve for the DVR guys but they need to hear from customers about this being something that we want to have correctly working. I feel like they spent a minimal amount of time in this area and abandoned doing a thorough solution for the market.

 

Am interested in working with others that are making headway in this integration

 

This is a little of the data as it comes from the POS:

 

02/16/18 17:10:08

8 PC CHICK D 1 8.49T

e53s753t1 02/16/18 17:10:10

Credit Card 1 15.99

e53s753t1 02/16/18 17:10:10

Cash Change Due: 0.00

e53s753t1 02/16/18 17:10:10

Subtotal: 15.66

e53s753t1 02/16/18 17:10:10

Sales TAX: 0.33

e53s753t1 02/16/18 17:10:10

Total: 15.99

e53s753t1 02/16/18 17:10:10

Customer birthdate: Cashier Override

e53s753t1 02/16/18 17:10:10

Transaction ID#623751

e53s753t1 02/16/18 17:10:29

32 Oz Soda 1 1.79T

e31s753t2 02/16/18 17:10:32

BREAST 1 3.29T

e31s753t2 02/16/18 17:11:16

Customer Transaction on Hold

e53s753t1 02/16/18 17:11:26

KK CHICKEN 1 3.99T

e31s753t2 02/16/18 17:11:29

Customer Transaction Restored

e53s753t1 02/16/18 17:11:38

Cash 1 7.00

e53s753t1 02/16/18 17:11:39

Cash Change Due: 0.74

e53s753t1 02/16/18 17:11:39

Subtotal: 5.78

e53s753t1 02/16/18 17:11:39

Sales TAX: 0.48

e53s753t1 02/16/18 17:11:39

Total: 6.26

e53s753t1 02/16/18 17:11:39

Transaction ID#623756

e31s753t2 02/16/18 17:11:43

Cash 1 20.00

e31s753t2 02/16/18 17:11:43

Cash Change Due: 0.44

e31s753t2 02/16/18 17:11:44

Subtotal: 18.07

e31s753t2 02/16/18 17:11:44

Sales TAX: 1.49

e31s753t2 02/16/18 17:11:44

Total: 19.56

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I have been fighting a Wayne Nucleus POS system also to get this data formatted correctly into a Dahua x583a DVR. So far I am able to get the stream of data to flow to the DVR but I see the same useless data and what does come through isn't searchable.

 

I think this is an easy problem to solve for the DVR guys but they need to hear from customers about this being something that we want to have correctly working. I feel like they spent a minimal amount of time in this area and abandoned doing a thorough solution for the market.

 

Am interested in working with others that are making headway in this integration

 

This is a little of the data as it comes from the POS:

 

02/16/18 17:10:08

8 PC CHICK D 1 8.49T

e53s753t1 02/16/18 17:10:10

Credit Card 1 15.99

e53s753t1 02/16/18 17:10:10

Cash Change Due: 0.00

e53s753t1 02/16/18 17:10:10

Subtotal: 15.66

e53s753t1 02/16/18 17:10:10

Sales TAX: 0.33

e53s753t1 02/16/18 17:10:10

Total: 15.99

e53s753t1 02/16/18 17:10:10

Customer birthdate: Cashier Override

e53s753t1 02/16/18 17:10:10

Transaction ID#623751

e53s753t1 02/16/18 17:10:29

32 Oz Soda 1 1.79T

e31s753t2 02/16/18 17:10:32

BREAST 1 3.29T

e31s753t2 02/16/18 17:11:16

Customer Transaction on Hold

e53s753t1 02/16/18 17:11:26

KK CHICKEN 1 3.99T

e31s753t2 02/16/18 17:11:29

Customer Transaction Restored

e53s753t1 02/16/18 17:11:38

Cash 1 7.00

e53s753t1 02/16/18 17:11:39

Cash Change Due: 0.74

e53s753t1 02/16/18 17:11:39

Subtotal: 5.78

e53s753t1 02/16/18 17:11:39

Sales TAX: 0.48

e53s753t1 02/16/18 17:11:39

Total: 6.26

e53s753t1 02/16/18 17:11:39

Transaction ID#623756

e31s753t2 02/16/18 17:11:43

Cash 1 20.00

e31s753t2 02/16/18 17:11:43

Cash Change Due: 0.44

e31s753t2 02/16/18 17:11:44

Subtotal: 18.07

e31s753t2 02/16/18 17:11:44

Sales TAX: 1.49

e31s753t2 02/16/18 17:11:44

Total: 19.56

 

If you look at my original photos, you will see I have this same issue. Only way I believe we can fix this is using a HEX editor. This would require a whole new hardware design. This would be completely out of my reach.

 

Also wanted to let everyone know that you can now view multiple cameras and still have POS overlay on LTS. However again, it doesn't allow a perfect solution. Also you can hook up multiple registers to view multiple POS using the same NVR.

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Hello, anyone have a successful outcome with text overlay thru Gilbarco Passport PX60 on IP Cameras?  Thank you!

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5 hours ago, NealShell said:

Hello, anyone have a successful outcome with text overlay thru Gilbarco Passport PX60 on IP Cameras?  Thank you!

Hi. How is your system setup ? And is your recorder POS ready or a add on you are looking for.

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8 hours ago, tomcctv said:

Hi. How is your system setup ? And is your recorder POS ready or a add on you are looking for.

I had a dual Gilbarco Passport PX60 (1 combo (client+server) and 1 standalone client).

I was told I need a Gilbarco's USB-RS232 converter. Part number is M01700B104B, but cannot find this part anywhere. 

Also I have been told to utilize Gilbarco's back office to identify the IP addresses but I do not have the back office software installed anywhere.

I have a 32 channel NVR thru Alibi (IP Cameras) which is POS text ready and requires the IP address and Port for each POS register I wish to overlay (which is both registers). 

What is the process from start to finish to integrate the system?

Thanks in advance!

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